North Carolina GOP welcomes back Jim Crow

[_Darth J]

Because, like, Republicans were all excluded from early voting and Sunday voting and stuff.

You do realize Democrats were behind Black suppression until the realized the political benefits of changing position?

- Doc

Yes, I do. Because I am not a Democrat, I don't feel particularly compelled to justify the history of the Democratic party.

I also realize that the Republican party originated specifically to counter the "popular sovereignty" movement, but now "state's rights" has become a Republican talking point.

And all that is irrelevant to the OP. Since it appears so hard for you to figure out, the OP is saying, and EAllusion is saying, that the GOP majority is eliminating voting practices that resulted in large black, Democrat-leaning turnouts for no discernible reason other than because they resulted in large black, Democrat-leaning turnouts.

As an atheist who favors separation of church and state, though, I'm sure you are very comfortable with "because Sunday is the Lord's day" being advanced as a rationale for eliminating Sunday voting.

[_ldsfaqs]

I also realize that the Republican party originated specifically to counter the "popular sovereignty" movement, but now "state's rights" has become a Republican talking point.

BUZZ WRONG..... The Republican Party originated to counter slavery, but yes also had popular sovereignty as one of it's values.

You're further wrong because it still believes in popular sovereignty.
As well States Rights also was always an ideal of the party, along with a limited but strong Federal Government, we just didn't abuse it to try and enforce slavery.

Popular Sovereignty and States Rights are not either/or issues.

And all that is irrelevant to the OP. Since it appears so hard for you to figure out, the OP is saying, and EAllusion is saying, that the GOP majority is eliminating voting practices that resulted in large black, Democrat-leaning turnouts for no discernible reason other than because they resulted in large black, Democrat-leaning turnouts.

We understand what he's saying, we are simply saying he's wrong, dead wrong.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Welp.

As an Independent Atheist...

Again...

How are Black people being denied the right to vote?

- Doc

Post Script- You might as well start claiming Muslims are denied the right to vote if a law is passed that no voting takes places after Friday prayers.

[_Darth J]

Welp.

As an Independent Atheist...

Again...

How are Black people being denied the right to vote?

- Doc

Post Script- You might as well start claiming Muslims are denied the right to vote if a law is passed that no voting takes places after Friday prayers.

Who said that blacks are being denied the right to vote?

[_Darth J]

I also realize that the Republican party originated specifically to counter the "popular sovereignty" movement, but now "state's rights" has become a Republican talking point.

BUZZ WRONG..... The Republican Party originated to counter slavery, but yes also had popular sovereignty as one of it's values.

You're further wrong because it still believes in popular sovereignty.
As well States Rights also was always an ideal of the party, along with a limited but strong Federal Government, we just didn't abuse it to try and enforce slavery.

Popular Sovereignty and States Rights are not either/or issues.

Popular sovereignty was the apologetic at the time for allowing it to be up to the people of the states/territories to decide whether to allow slavery. Those were not separate issues. The Republicans were opposed to that: they wanted the federal government to determine the slavery issue. Why do you think they called themselves "Republicans"?

Popular sovereignty was not one of the Republican party's original values. It was the value that the party was formed to directly oppose.

And all that is irrelevant to the OP. Since it appears so hard for you to figure out, the OP is saying, and EAllusion is saying, that the GOP majority is eliminating voting practices that resulted in large black, Democrat-leaning turnouts for no discernible reason other than because they resulted in large black, Democrat-leaning turnouts.

We understand what he's saying, we are simply saying he's wrong, dead wrong.

Yes, you are indeed simply saying that.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Damn. Those Republicans can't win for tryin'.

http://www.nbra.information/

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

Do you think literacy tests denied black people the right to vote? After all, everyone has the chance to become literate. And don't you want a literate voting base? What do you think the point of the literacy tests was?

Wait.

Are you calling Black people illiterate?

And, again... How are they being denied the right to vote?

- Doc

Literacy tests were one of the chief methods of Jim Crow era voter suppression. I'm bringing it up because it didn't bar black people from voting. That would've been explicitly constitutional. Rather, it structured the law in such a way to make blacks disproportionately affected by the measure and lower their turnout as an overall % of the electorate. Are you denying that literacy tests were an effort to suppress black voting?

[_MeDotOrg]

How are Black people being denied the right to vote?

The question are why is early voting and Sunday voting being eliminated? Isn't the purpose of an election to reflect the will of as many voters as possible? It isn't as if Sunday voting and early voting were not being used. They were being used. They were popular. Why eliminate popular methods of casting a ballot? Why make it more difficult to vote?

Republican Governor Rick Scott reduced the number of early voting days in Florida from 14 to 8. People in South Florida had to wait up to 7 hours to cast their ballots.

...former New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman, a Republican, criticized the situation in Florida: “I don’t know what went on in Florida, but I do have to say that in this day and age, it’s inexcusable that in this country, we have anything like this going on. I’ve led delegations around the world to watch voting and this is the kind of thing you expect in a third-world country, not in the United States of America.”

If no on can provide any evidence that early voting or Sunday voting is directly related to increased voter fraud, what is the reason for eliminating the programs?

I repeat: During the 17-day early voting period in 2012, North Carolina Democrats cast 49 percent of the ballots; Republicans, only 30 percent. Do you think if those percentages were reversed the Republican controlled legislature would have eliminated early voting?

And again, please provide documentation showing that early voting and voting on Sundays increases voter fraud.

Republicans don't engage in voter fraud, only Democrat's do

Despite the compelling logical argument (as well as the creative punctuation), I think I might require a little more proof. Not what you think. Not what you 'know'. Proof.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Ok.

They're not being the right to denied to vote any more than...

White people are.

Would you please be kind enough to post the difference?

- Doc

[_ldsfaqs]

Popular sovereignty was the apologetic at the time for allowing it to be up to the people of the states/territories to decide whether to allow slavery. Those were not separate issues. The Republicans were opposed to that: they wanted the federal government to determine the slavery issue. Why do you think they called themselves "Republicans"?

Popular sovereignty was not one of the Republican party's original values. It was the value that the party was formed to directly oppose.

It's really simple.... The Republican Party at the time was against popular sovereignty only as it related as an excuse to promote slavery and otherwise.

Let me quote you the "definition" of the term so you can understand that it IS a Conservative/Republican value.

Popular sovereignty or the sovereignty of the people is the principle that the authority of the government is created and sustained by the consent of its people (Rule by the People), who are the source of all political power. It is closely associated with republicanism and social contract philosophers such as Thomas Hobbes, John Locke and Jean-Jacques Rousseau. Popular sovereignty expresses a concept and does not necessarily reflect or describe a political reality. It is usually contrasted with the concept of parliamentary sovereignty, and with individual sovereignty.

Benjamin Franklin expressed the concept when he wrote, "In free governments, the rulers are the servants and the people their superiors and sovereigns."

Are you going to still claim it's "not" a Republican value, simply because it was spoken of against as it applies to slavery, when you are looking at the Definition above, which is CORE Republican political thought?