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Numbers 30:1-16 God commands that vows to Him should be fulfilled.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


1 And Moses speaketh unto the heads of the tribes of the sons of Israel, saying, `This [is] the thing which Jehovah hath commanded:

2 `When a man voweth a vow to Jehovah, or hath sworn an oath to bind a bond on his soul, he doth not pollute his word; according to all that is going out from his mouth he doth.

3 `And when a woman voweth a vow to Jehovah, and hath bound a bond in the house of her father in her youth,

4 and her father hath heard her vow, and her bond which she hath bound on her soul, and her father hath kept silent at her, then have all her vows been established, and every bond which she hath bound on her soul is established.

5 `And if her father hath disallowed her in the day of his hearing, none of her vows and her bonds which she hath bound on her soul is established, and Jehovah is propitious to her, for her father hath disallowed her.

6 `And if she be at all to a husband, and her vows [are] on her, or a wrongful utterance [on] her lips, which she hath bound on her soul,

7 and her husband hath heard, and in the day of his hearing, he hath kept silent at her, then have her vows been established, and her bonds which she hath bound on her soul are established.

8 `And if in the day of her husband's hearing he disalloweth her, then he hath broken her vow which [is] on her, and the wrongful utterance of her lips which she hath bound on her soul, and Jehovah is propitious to her.

9 `As to the vow of a widow or cast-out woman, all that she hath bound on her soul is established on her.

10 `And if [in] the house of her husband she hath vowed, or hath bound a bond on her soul with an oath,

11 and her husband hath heard, and hath kept silent at her -- he hath not disallowed her -- then have all her vows been established, and every bond which she hath bound on her soul is established.

12 `And if her husband doth certainly break them in the day of his hearing, none of the outgoing of her lips concerning her vows, or concerning the bond of her soul, is established -- her husband hath broken them -- and Jehovah is propitious to her.

13 `Every vow and every oath -- a bond to humble a soul -- her husband doth establish it, or her husband doth break it;

14 and if her husband certainly keep silent at her, from day unto day, then he hath established all her vows, or all her bonds which [are] upon her; he hath established them, for he hath kept silent at her in the day of his hearing;

15 and if he doth at all break them after his hearing, then he hath borne her iniquity.'

16 These [are] the statutes which Jehovah hath commanded Moses between a man and his wife, between a father and his daughter, in her youth, [in] the house of her father.

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Mormonism 101

Reasoning from the Scriptures with the Mormons

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Reasoning from the Scriptures with the Mormons

From Pages 190 and 191 of that Book:

The Mormon Teaching. According to Genesis 11, God had to judge humankind because of their prideful rebellion against Him. Genesis 11:8-9 tells us, "The Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."
According to Mormons, Genesis 11:8-9 tells of the scattering of mankind all across the earth - and among those who were scattered (allegedly) were the Jaredites, who were blown by a mighty wind during their voyage to the American continent. As explained by James E. Talmage,
Amidst the confusion of Babel, Jared and his brother importuned the Lord that they and their associates be spared from the impending disruption. Their prayer was heard, and the Lord led them with a considerable company, who, like themselves, were free from the taint of idolatry, away from their homes, promising to conduct them to a land choice above all other lands. . . . They reached the ocean and there constructed eight vessels, called barges, in which they set out upon the waters. . . . After a passage of three hundred and forty-four days, the colony landed on the American shores. 4

The Biblical Teaching. Answering the Mormon view is rather simple - at least from a biblical perspective. Read the text carefully: "The Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth" (emphasis added).
There were no exceptions to God's work of "confounding languages." All the earth was affected. The Mormon interpretation of this passage is thus impossible; it flatly contradicts what Scripture says in Genesis 11:9.

However, this "contradiction" of the "Mormon interpretation of this passage" has been refuted.
From an LDS Apologist:

Again, there is no real contradiction when other considerations are examined. The purpose of the confounding of tongues at Babel, was to scatter the various peoples over the earth. The texts at Genesis 10:5, 10:20 and 10:31 seem to show that the linguistic lines followed family lineages and national groups. Also implied, is that there may have been, originally, three main language groups that later broke off into many branches within these linguistic families. The fact that there are three main language families (known as Indo-European, Semitic and Hamitic or African), from which all languages seem to derive, according to the Bible, gives support to the possibility that the confusion of tongues was only general.

Apparently, each family grouping had its particular language base. Jared, his brother and their families, being of the same family group, would have had the same language base. Further of interest, is that there are several ancient traditions that state that certain individuals did not have their language confounded.

However, all things considered, even if Jared, his brother, and their families and friends did not have a change occur in their language, it still makes no difference and produces no disparity between the two texts! If all other peoples had a change in their language, and one group still retained the original language with which they were familiar, all of the world would still be in a confounded state, for all others could no longer understand them, anyway!

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Numbers 31:1-54 Then the Lord (On behalf of the people of Israel) took revenge on the Midianites for leading them into idolatry, Then Moses is to die. Moses tpld the people to choose some men, and arm them to fight the Lord’s war of revenge against Midian. Each tribe of Israel is to send 1,000 men into battle --- a total of 12,000 men armed for battle. Moses sent them out, 1,000 men from each tribe, and Phinehas son of Eleazar the priest led them into battle. They carried along the holy objects of the sanctuary and the trumpets for sounding the charge. They attacked Midian as the Lord had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings—Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba—died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. The Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho. Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. Moses was furious with all the generals and captains who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the Lord at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the Lord’s people. Kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves. And all of you who have killed anyone or touched a dead body must stay outside the camp for seven days. You must purify yourselves and your captives on the third and seventh days. Purify all your clothing, too, and everything made of leather, goat hair, or wood.”

Then Eleazar the priest said to the men who were in the battle, “The Lord has given Moses this legal requirement: Anything made of gold, silver, bronze, iron, tin, or lead—that is, all metals that do not burn—must be passed through fire in order to be made ceremonially pure. These metal objects must then be further purified with the water of purification. But everything that burns must be purified by the water alone. On the seventh day you must wash your clothes and be purified. Then you may return to the camp.”
The Lord tells Moses that both Moses & Eleazar the priest and the family leaders of each tribe are to make a list of all the plunder taken in the battle, including the people and animals ---- divide the plunder into two parts, and give half to the men who fought the battle and half to the rest of the people. From the army’s portion, first give the Lord his share of the plunder—one of every 500 of the prisoners and of the cattle, donkeys, sheep, and goats. Give this share of the army’s half to Eleazar the priest as an offering to the Lord. From the half that belongs to the people of Israel, take one of every fifty of the prisoners and of the cattle, donkeys, sheep, goats, and other animals. Give this share to the Levites, who are in charge of maintaining the Lord’s Tabernacle. So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses. The plunder remaining from everything totaled 675,000 sheep and goats, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys, and 32,000 virgin girls.
Half of the plunder was given to the fighting men. It totaled 337,500 sheep and goats, of which 675 were the Lord’s share; 36,000 cattle, of which 72 were the Lord’s share; 30,500 donkeys, of which were the Lord’s share; and 16,000 virgin girls, of whom 32 were the Lord’s share. Half of the plunder belonged to the people of Israel, and Moses separated it from the half belonging to the fighting men. Totaling 337,500 sheep and goats, 36,000 cattle, 30,500 donkeys, and 16,000 virgin girls. From the half-share given to the people, Moses took one of every fifty prisoners and animals and gave them to the Levites, who maintained the Lord’s Tabernacle. All this was done as the Lord had commanded Moses.
Not one Israelite fighter was lost. They presenting the items of gold captured as an offering to the Lord from their share of the plunder—armbands, bracelets, rings, earrings, and necklaces. So Moses and Eleazar the priest received the gold from all the military commanders—all kinds of jewelry and crafted objects. In all, the gold that the generals and captains presented as a gift to the Lord weighed about 420 pounds. All the fighting men had taken some of the plunder for themselves. Moses and Eleazar the priest accepted the gifts from the generals and captains and brought the gold to the Tabernacle as a reminder to the Lord that the people of Israel belong to him.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


1 And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,

2 `Execute the vengeance of the sons of Israel against the Midianites -- afterwards thou art gathered unto thy people.'

3 And Moses speaketh unto the people, saying, `Be ye armed some of you for the host, and they are against Midian, to put the vengeance of Jehovah on Midian;

4 a thousand for a tribe -- a thousand for a tribe, to all the tribes of Israel -- ye do send to the host.'

5 And there are given out of the thousands of Israel a thousand for a tribe, twelve thousand armed ones of the host;

6 and Moses sendeth them, a thousand for a tribe, to the host, them and Phinehas son of Eleazar the priest, to the host; and the holy vessels, and the trumpets of the shouting, in his hand.

7 And they war against Midian, as Jehovah hath commanded Moses, and slay every male;

8 and the kings of Midian they have slain, besides their pierced ones, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian; and Balaam son of Beor, they have slain with the sword.

9 And the sons of Israel take captive the women of Midian, and their infants; and all their cattle, and all their substance, and all their wealth they have plundered;

10 and all their cities, with their habitations, and all their towers, they have burnt with fire.

11 And they take all the spoil, and all the prey, among man and among beast;

12 and they bring in, unto Moses, and unto Eleazar the priest, and unto the company of the sons of Israel, the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto the camp, unto the plains of Moab, which [are] by Jordan, [near] Jericho.

13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the company, go out to meet them, unto the outside of the camp,

14 and Moses is wroth against the inspectors of the force, chiefs of the thousands, and chiefs of the hundreds, who are coming in from the host of the battle.

15 And Moses saith unto them, `Have ye kept alive every female?

16 lo, they -- they have been to the sons of Israel, through the word of Balaam, to cause a trespass against Jehovah in the matter of Peor, and the plague is in the company of Jehovah.

17 `And now, slay ye every male among the infants, yea, every woman known of man by the lying of a male ye have slain;

18 and all the infants among the women, who have not known the lying of a male, ye have kept alive for yourselves.

19 `And ye, encamp ye at the outside of the camp seven days -- any who hath slain a person, and any who hath come against a pierced one, ye cleanse yourselves on the third day, and on the seventh day -- ye and your captives;

20 and every garment, and every skin vessel, and every work of goats' [hair], and every wooden vessel, ye yourselves cleanse.'

21 And Eleazar the priest saith unto the men of the host who go in to battle, `This [is] the statute of the law which Jehovah hath commanded Moses:

22 only, the gold, and the silver, the brass, the iron, the tin, and the lead,

23 every thing which may go into fire, ye cause to pass over through fire, and it hath been clean; only, with the water of separation it is cleansed, and all that may not go into fire, ye cause to pass over through water;

24 and ye have washed your garments on the seventh day, and have been clean, and afterwards ye come in unto the camp.'

25 And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying,

26 `Take up the sum of the prey of the captives, among man and among beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the heads of the fathers of the company;

27 and thou hast halved the prey between those handling the battle who go out to the host and all the company;

28 and thou hast raised a tribute to Jehovah from the men of war, who go out to the host, one body out of five hundred, of man, and of the herd, and of the asses, and of the flock;

29 from their half ye do take, and thou hast given to Eleazar the priest -- the heave-offering of Jehovah.

30 `And from the sons of Israel's half thou dost take one possession out of fifty, of man, of the herd, of the asses, and of the flock, of all the cattle, and thou hast given them to the Levites keeping the charge of the tabernacle of Jehovah.'

31 And Moses doth -- Eleazar the priest also -- as Jehovah hath commanded Moses.

32 And the prey, the residue of the spoil which the people of the host have spoiled, is of the flock six hundred thousand, and seventy thousand, and five thousand;

33 and of the herd two and seventy thousand;

34 and of asses one and sixty thousand;

35 and of human beings -- of the women who have not known the lying of a male -- all the persons [are] two and thirty thousand.

36 And the half -- the portion of those who go out into the host -- the number of the flock is three hundred thousand, and thirty thousand, and seven thousand and five hundred.

37 And the tribute to Jehovah of the sheep is six hundred five and seventy;

38 and the herd [is] six and thirty thousand, and their tribute to Jehovah [is] two and seventy;

39 and the asses [are] thirty thousand and five hundred, and their tribute to Jehovah [is] one and sixty;

40 and the human beings [are] sixteen thousand, and their tribute to Jehovah [is] two and thirty persons.

41 And Moses giveth the tribute -- Jehovah's heave-offering -- to Eleazar the priest, as Jehovah hath commanded Moses.

42 And of the sons of Israel's half, which Moses halved from the men who war --

43 and the company's half is, of the flock three hundred thousand, and thirty thousand, seven thousand and five hundred;

44 and of the herd six and thirty thousand;

45 and of asses thirty thousand and five hundred;

46 and of human beings sixteen thousand --

47 Moses taketh from the sons of Israel's half the one possession from the fifty, of man and of beast, and giveth them to the Levites keeping the charge of the tabernacle of Jehovah, as Jehovah hath commanded Moses.

48 And the inspectors whom the thousands of the host hath, (heads of the thousands and heads of the hundreds), draw near unto Moses,

49 and they say unto Moses, `Thy servants have taken up the sum of the men of war who [are] with us, and not a man of us hath been missed;

50 and we bring near Jehovah's offering, each that which he hath found, vessels of gold -- chain, and bracelet, seal-ring, [ear]-ring, and bead -- to make atonement for ourselves before Jehovah.'

51 And Moses receiveth -- Eleazar the priest also -- the gold from them, every made vessel,

52 and all the gold of the heave-offering which they have lifted up to Jehovah is sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty shekels, from heads of the thousands, and from heads of the hundreds;

53 (the men of the host have spoiled each for himself);

54 and Moses taketh -- Eleazar the priest also -- the gold from the heads of the thousands and of the hundreds, and they bring it in unto the tent of meeting -- a memorial for the sons of Israel before Jehovah.

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As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the Lord is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him. - Psalm 18:30 (KJV)

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Numbers 31:1-54

Beautiful NUMBERS...

14 and Moses is wroth against the inspectors of the force, chiefs of the thousands, and chiefs of the hundreds, who are coming in from the host of the battle.

15 And Moses saith unto them, `Have ye kept alive every female?

17 `And now, slay ye every male among the infants, yea, every woman known of man by the lying of a male ye have slain;

18 and all the infants among the women, who have not known the lying of a male, ye have kept alive for yourselves.

... and “F” them all, as Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying ...

37 And the tribute to Jehovah of the sheep is six hundred five and seventy;

38 and the herd [is] six and thirty thousand, and their tribute to Jehovah [is] two and seventy;

39 and the asses [are] thirty thousand and five hundred, and their tribute to Jehovah [is] one and sixty;

40 and the human beings [are] sixteen thousand, and their tribute to Jehovah [is] two and thirty persons.

Sheep, first.
Then herd, then asses.
Human beings last.

For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Ok, there is a little difference with the Midianites. They have to slained by thousands.

[_son of Ishmael]

...Kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves...

...The plunder remaining from everything totaled 675,000 sheep and goats, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys, and 32,000 virgin girls.

Half of the plunder was given to the fighting men. It totaled 337,500 sheep and goats, of which 675 were the Lord’s share...and 16,000 virgin girls, of whom 32 were the Lord’s share.

So...umm...Just what did the lord do with his share of the virgin girls?

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...Kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves...

...The plunder remaining from everything totaled 675,000 sheep and goats, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys, and 32,000 virgin girls.

Half of the plunder was given to the fighting men. It totaled 337,500 sheep and goats, of which 675 were the Lord’s share...and 16,000 virgin girls, of whom 32 were the Lord’s share.

So...umm...Just what did the lord do with his share of the virgin girls?

Well, we know that the Levites could not marry anyone not an Israelite. They were not to have sex outside of marriage. So, they became slave girls. They did the wash, cleaned the house, tended gardens and the animals.
Leviticus 21:14 ►
New International Version (©2011)
He (Levite Priest) must not marry a widow, a divorced woman, or a woman defiled by prostitution, but only a virgin from his own people .