LittleNipper wrote:14 and Moses is wroth against the inspectors of the force, chiefs of the thousands, and chiefs of the hundreds, who are coming in from the host of the battle.
15 And Moses saith unto them, `Have ye kept alive every female?
17 `And now, slay ye every male among the infants, yea, every woman known of man by the lying of a male ye have slain;
18 and all the infants among the women, who have not known the lying of a male, ye have kept alive for yourselves.
... and f*** them all, as Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, saying ...
LittleNipper wrote:37 And the tribute to Jehovah of the sheep is six hundred five and seventy;
38 and the herd [is] six and thirty thousand, and their tribute to Jehovah [is] two and seventy;
39 and the asses [are] thirty thousand and five hundred, and their tribute to Jehovah [is] one and sixty;
40 and the human beings [are] sixteen thousand, and their tribute to Jehovah [is] two and thirty persons.
Sheep, first. Then herd, then asses. Human beings last.
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Ok, there is a little difference with the Midianites. They have to slained by thousands.
Numbers 31 15 “Why have you let all the women live?” he (Moses) demanded. 16 “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the Lord at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the Lord’s people.
These particular humans were religiously evil (burning their own babies, morally vile and sexually unclean. But liberals never wish to consider this. They are far too absorbed with blaming God when God is only punishing evil doers and weeding out cancer.
Numbers 32 :1-42 The tribes of Reuben and Gad owned livestock galore. When they saw that the lands of Jazer and Gilead were ideally suited for their flocks and herds, they came to Moses, Eleazar the priest, and the other leaders of the community concerning the towns of Ataroth, Dibon, Jazer, Nimrah, Heshbon, Elealeh, Sibmah, Nebo, and Beon. They wanted that land as property instead of giving them land across the Jordan River. Moses reminds them of what happened to their ancestors. The only exceptions being Caleb son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite and Joshua son of Nun, for they wholeheartedly followed the Lord. The Lord was angry with Israel and made them wander in the wilderness for forty years until the entire generation that sinned in the Lord’s sight had died. Now it seemed they were, doing exactly the same thing! They reasoned with Moses, saying they simply want to build pens for livestock have the fortified towns for our wives and children. They will arm themselves and lead their fellow Israelites into battle. Meanwhile, the families will stay in the fortified towns build here, so they will be safe from any attacks by the local people. They will not return home until all the people of Israel have received their portions of land. They do not claim any of the land on the other side of the Jordan. They would rather live here on the east side and accept this as their grant of land.
Moses agreed only if they keep their word and arm themselves for the Lord’s battles, crossing the Jordan and keep fighting until the Lord has driven out his enemies, they may return when the Lord has conquered the land. They will have fulfilled their duty to the Lord and to the rest of the people of Israel. And the land on the east side of the Jordan will be your property from the Lord. If not, they then fail to keep their word, and will have sinned against the Lord... And sin will find them out. The men of Gad and Reuben replied, “We, your servants, will follow your instructions exactly. Our children, wives, flocks, and cattle will stay here in the towns of Gilead. But all who are able to bear arms will cross over to fight for the Lord, just as you have said.”
So Moses gave orders to Eleazar the priest, Joshua son of Nun, and the leaders of the clans of Israel concerning the men of Gad and Reuben who are armed for battle. They must cross the Jordan with them to fight for the Lord. If they do, give them the land of Gilead as their property when the land is conquered. If they refuse to arm themselves and cross over, then they must accept land with the rest of Israel in the land of Canaan. So Moses assigned land to the tribes of Gad, Reuben, and half the tribe of Manasseh son of Joseph. He gave them the territory of King Sihon of the Amorites and the land of King Og of Bashan—the whole land with its cities and surrounding lands.
The descendants of Gad built the towns of Dibon, Ataroth, Aroer, Atroth-shophan, Jazer, Jogbehah, Beth-nimrah, and Beth-haran. These were all fortified towns with pens for their flocks. The descendants of Reuben built the towns of Heshbon, Elealeh, Kiriathaim, Nebo, Baal-meon, and Sibmah. They changed the names of some of the towns they conquered and rebuilt. Then the descendants of Makir of the tribe of Manasseh went to Gilead and conquered it, and they drove out the Amorites living there. Moses gave Gilead to the Makirites, descendants of Manasseh, and they settled there. The people of Jair, another clan of the tribe of Manasseh, captured many of the towns in Gilead and changed the name of that region to the Towns of Jair. Meanwhile, a man named Nobah captured the town of Kenath and its surrounding villages, and he renamed that area Nobah after himself.
Footnotes:
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And much cattle hath been to the sons of Reuben and to the sons of Gad, very many; and they see the land of Jazer, and the land of Gilead, and lo, the place [is] a place [for] cattle;
2 and the sons of Gad, and the sons of Reuben, come in and speak unto Moses, and unto Eleazar the priest, and unto the princes of the company, saying:
3 `Ataroth, and Dibon, and Jazer, and Nimrah, and Heshbon, and Elealeh, and Shebam, and Nebo, and Beon --
4 the land which Jehovah hath smitten before the company of Israel, is a land for cattle, and thy servants have cattle.'
5 And they say, `If we have found grace in thine eyes, let this land be given to thy servants for a possession; cause us not to pass over the Jordan.'
6 And Moses saith to the sons of Gad and to the sons of Reuben, `Do your brethren go in to the battle, and ye -- do ye sit here?
7 and why discourage ye the heart of the sons of Israel from passing over unto the land which Jehovah hath given to them?
8 `Thus did your fathers in my sending them from Kadesh-Barnea to see the land;
9 and they go up unto the valley of Eshcol, and see the land, and discourage the heart of the sons of Israel so as not to go in unto the land which Jehovah hath given to them;
10 and the anger of Jehovah burneth in that day, and He sweareth, saying,
11 They do not see -- the men who are coming up out of Egypt from a son of twenty years and upward -- the ground which I have sworn to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, for they have not been fully after Me;
12 save Caleb son of Jephunneh the Kenezite, and Joshua son of Nun, for they have been fully after Jehovah;
13 and the anger of Jehovah burneth against Israel, and He causeth them to wander in the wilderness forty years, until the consumption of all the generation which is doing the evil thing in the eyes of Jehovah.
14 `And lo, ye have risen in the stead of your fathers, an increase of men -- sinners, to add yet to the fury of the anger of Jehovah toward Israel;
15 when ye turn back from after Him, then He hath added yet to leave him in the wilderness, and ye have done corruptly to all this people.'
16 And they come nigh unto him, and say, `Folds for the flock we build for our cattle here, and cities for our infants;
17 and we -- we are armed hasting before the sons of Israel till that we have brought them in unto their place; and our infants have dwelt in the cities of defence because of the inhabitants of the land;
18 we do not turn back unto our houses till the sons of Israel have inherited each his inheritance,
19 for we do not inherit with them beyond the Jordan and yonder, for our inheritance hath come unto us beyond the Jordan at the [sun]-rising.'
20 And Moses saith unto them, `If ye do this thing: if ye are armed before Jehovah for battle,
21 and every armed one of you hath passed over the Jordan before Jehovah, till his dispossessing His enemies from before Him,
22 and the land hath been subdued before Jehovah -- then afterwards ye do turn back, and have been acquitted by Jehovah, and by Israel; and this land hath been to you for a possession before Jehovah.
23 `And if ye do not so, lo, ye have sinned against Jehovah, and know ye your sin, that it doth find you;
24 build for yourselves cities for your infants, and folds for your flock, and that which is going out from your mouth do ye.'
25 And the sons of Gad and the sons of Reuben speak unto Moses, saying, `Thy servants do as my lord is commanding;
26 our infants, our wives, our cattle, and all our beasts, are there in cities of Gilead,
27 and thy servants pass over, every armed one of the host, before Jehovah, to battle, as my lord is saying.'
28 And Moses commandeth concerning them Eleazar the priest, and Joshua son of Nun, and the heads of the fathers of the tribes of the sons of Israel;
29 and Moses saith unto them, `If the sons of Gad and the sons of Reuben pass over with you the Jordan, every one armed for battle, before Jehovah, and the land hath been subdued before you, then ye have given to them the land of Gilead for a possession;
30 and if they do not pass over armed with you, then they have possessions in your midst in the land of Canaan.'
31 And the sons of Gad and the sons of Reuben answer, saying, `That which Jehovah hath spoken unto thy servants -- so we do;
32 we -- we pass over armed before Jehovah [to] the land of Canaan, and with us [is] the possession of our inheritance beyond the Jordan.'
33 And Moses giveth to them, to the sons of Gad, and to the sons of Reuben, and to the half of the tribe of Manasseh son of Joseph, the kingdom of Sihon king of the Amorite, and the kingdom of Og king of Bashan, the land by its cities, in the borders, the cities of the land round about.
34 And the sons of Gad build Dihon, and Ataroth, and Aroer,
35 and Atroth, Shophan, and Jaazer, and Jogbehah,
36 and Beth-Nimrah, and Beth-Haran, cities of defence, and sheepfolds.
37 And the sons of Reuben have build Heshbon, and Elealeh, and Kirjathaim,
38 and Nebo, and Baal-Meon (changed in name), and Shibmah, and they call by [these] names the names of the cities which they have built.
39 And sons of Machir son of Manasseh go to Gilead, and capture it, and dispossess the Amorite, who [is] in it;
40 and Moses giveth Gilead to Machir son of Manasseh, and he dwelleth in it.
41 And Jair son of Manasseh hath gone and captureth their towns, and calleth them `Towns of Jair;'
42 and Nobah hath gone and captureth Kenath, and its villages, and calleth it Nobah, by his own name.
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[quote="LittleNipper"] Well, we know that the Levites could not marry anyone not an Israelite. They were not to have sex outside of marriage. So, they became slave girls. They did the wash, cleaned the house, tended gardens and the animals.
So the lord is cool with slavery....
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
LittleNipper wrote:Well, we know that the Levites could not marry anyone not an Israelite. They were not to have sex outside of marriage. So, they became slave girls. They did the wash, cleaned the house, tended gardens and the animals.
So the lord is cool with slavery....
A person who is a drunk is a slave to drink. A person who must have his fix is a slave to drugs. A person who smokes is a slave to nicotine. A person who gets tattooed is a slave to decoration and pain... etc....
The Lord has allowed slavery, just as He allows divorce. HOWEVER, He has provided regulations --- even for that which He hates.
son of Ishmael wrote:So the lord is cool with slavery....
A person who is a drunk is a slave to drink. A person who must have his fix is a slave to drugs. A person who smokes is a slave to nicotine. A person who gets tattooed is a slave to decoration and pain... etc....
A person who makes us tired with archaic, obsolete, overgone - many times senseless, atrocious, inhuman, tyrannic, savage - stories of transcended dark history of humanity is a slave. Period. Complete my sentence as wanted.
Check the name of the picture... by the way.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
A person who is a drunk is a slave to drink. A person who must have his fix is a slave to drugs. A person who smokes is a slave to nicotine. A person who gets tattooed is a slave to decoration and pain... etc....
The Lord has allowed slavery, just as He allows divorce. HOWEVER, He has provided regulations --- even for that which He hates.
This does not make any sense at all. I wish this thread was on the telestial board so I could really tell you what I think of your statement. In your examples above the people have some level of choice. In the Old Testament scripture you quoted, the virgin girls who were made slaves had not choice. Apparently it was just their bad luck to be born into a group of people that god didn't like which means your god is a dick. Thankful no such god exists
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
LittleNipper wrote:A person who is a drunk is a slave to drink. A person who must have his fix is a slave to drugs. A person who smokes is a slave to nicotine. A person who gets tattooed is a slave to decoration and pain... etc....
The Lord has allowed slavery, just as He allows divorce. HOWEVER, He has provided regulations --- even for that which He hates.
A believer in religious faith is a slave to God...
Can you point to something within humanity that The Lord doesn't allow?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
LittleNipper wrote:A person who is a drunk is a slave to drink. A person who must have his fix is a slave to drugs. A person who smokes is a slave to nicotine. A person who gets tattooed is a slave to decoration and pain... etc....
The Lord has allowed slavery, just as He allows divorce. HOWEVER, He has provided regulations --- even for that which He hates.
A believer in religious faith is a slave to God...
Can you point to something within humanity that The Lord doesn't allow?
God has never allowed gay couples the ability to consummate their union.
LittleNipper wrote:A person who is a drunk is a slave to drink. A person who must have his fix is a slave to drugs. A person who smokes is a slave to nicotine. A person who gets tattooed is a slave to decoration and pain... etc....
The Lord has allowed slavery, just as He allows divorce. HOWEVER, He has provided regulations --- even for that which He hates.
This does not make any sense at all. I wish this thread was on the telestial board so I could really tell you what I think of your statement. In your examples above the people have some level of choice. In the Old Testament scripture you quoted, the virgin girls who were made slaves had not choice. Apparently it was just their bad luck to be born into a group of people that god didn't like which means your god is a dick. Thankful no such god exists
In the Old Testament scripture I quoted, those slave girls were formerly headed for HELL. As a slave girl to an Israelite family they at least stood a chance at a secure eternity and perhaps not put their faith and trust in manmade idols --- so I imagine God had other plans for them. I don't appreciate your choice of words to describe my Lord. You may wish to reconsider your position as I find that it will only lead to a dead end.
