malkie wrote:Do you feel Jesus Christ personally authorised/agreed the expenditure on City Creek? Yes/No
Does any true believing member of the Church have the strength of their Gospel convictions to be able to answer this^ question with a straightforward 'yes' or 'no'? Because so far I haven't seen a single member of the Church do so.
No one?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Bazooka wrote:...(snip)...And in answer to your question, any money I have obtained from people under the guise of wanting it for charitable causes has been spent on exactly that, charitable causes. Every. Single. Penny....(snip)...
subgenius wrote:I Made no claim about any numbers. You made the claim, two different claims in fact, and provided no numbers....as usual. Typical with Drift and now typical with Zooka. You are a hypocrite, you criticize the church for not making public their charitable claims, but then exempt yourself from the same...even when you admit that you gather money from others. You lose
BUMP for Drifting and Bazooka
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Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Albion wrote:As an observer on this thread ditto this cartoon for you. Bazooka asked for verifying figures first and you have yet to provide them.
Bump
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
The Seventh-day Adventist Church, which had about 17 million members a year ago, appears to be getting a better return on investment: It builds smaller meeting houses and lots of schools and hospitals, and its numbers are swelling faster than the Mormons', said Stewart. The Adventists claim a million new members join annually, compared with every three years or so for the Mormons.
"The Seventh-day Adventists clearly have a much more expansive humanitarian project in terms of building hospitals and medical schools and schools and universities and long-term developmental infrastructure around the world," said Stewart. "It's paid off for them."
The Mormon church, meanwhile, appears to be decreasing transparency and member control of donations. New tithing slips give fewer donation options and come with an expanded disclaimer saying the church has sole discretion over spending, even though it will make "reasonable efforts" to follow donors' wishes.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
As a result of the frequent media requests, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued an in-depth outline of its financial history, philosophy and structure and posted it Thursday on its LDS Newsroom website.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
The key idea of the parable is that "Light is to be revealed, not concealed.
So, if the Church's use of donations is so righteous and good, furthering the work of Christ, why is the financial data hidden?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
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That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
maklelan wrote:24 years. I corrected you on this already. If you're not going to show me the courtesy of just reading what I say, or answering my direct questions, I really don't feel the need to waste additional time trying to disabuse you of these petty prejudices.
My maths might be off, but it sure looks like 26 years........
(And in answer to your question, any money I have obtained from people under the guise of wanting it for charitable causes has been spent on exactly that, charitable causes. Every. Single. Penny. Not salaries, not stipends, not investment funds, not apartments, not big fancy houses, not first class flights, not chauffeurs, not thousand dollar suits, not shopping malls.)
Bump for maklelan....
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Bazooka wrote:...(snip)...And in answer to your question, any money I have obtained from people under the guise of wanting it for charitable causes has been spent on exactly that, charitable causes. Every. Single. Penny....(snip)...
subgenius wrote:I Made no claim about any numbers. You made the claim, two different claims in fact, and provided no numbers....as usual. Typical with Drift and now typical with Zooka. You are a hypocrite, you criticize the church for not making public their charitable claims, but then exempt yourself from the same...even when you admit that you gather money from others. You lose
BUMP for Drifting and Bazooka
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Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
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Subby, not sure why you're bumping me when it is you that faces the first unanswered question on this thread.
Perhaps instead of bumping, you should be answering...(but nobody expects you to)
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
