Same Sex Marriage - UK takes another step forward...

[_Bazooka]

My question: If a gay member of the church marries his partner, he can be excommunicated by the LDS then? And, then could the gay member sue the LDS because the LDS does not accept a legal marriage?

Under the terms of the the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill, religious organisations will have to "opt in" to offering weddings, with the Church of England and Church in Wales being banned in law from doing so.

Commons Speaker John Bercow announced the bill had received Royal Assent - the formal approval of the sovereign required for all legislation. The news was greeted with cheers in the Commons chamber.

'Bulldozed'
MPs decided not to oppose a number of minor changes agreed by the House of Lords and approved the legislation on Tuesday.

There will also be a review of whether groups such as the humanists will be allowed to carry out marriages, while ministers said they were prepared to look at eliminating any difference in the treatment of gay couples when it came to pension schemes.

During the Commons debate, Equalities Minister Maria Miller said the passing of the bill was "clear affirmation" that "respect for each and every person is paramount, regardless of age, religion, gender, ethnicity or sexuality", she added.

But Conservative MP Sir Gerald Howarth, one of the bill's opponents, said it was "astonishing that a bill for which there is absolutely no mandate, against which a majority of Conservatives voted, has been bulldozed through both Houses".

He added: "I think the government should think very carefully in future if they want the support of these benches. Offending large swathes of the Conservative Party is not a good way of going about it."

But Paul Parker, recording clerk for Quakers in Britain, said: "It's wonderful to see same-sex marriage achieve legal recognition. Quakers see the light of God in everyone so we respect the inherent worth of each individual and each loving relationship."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23338279

[_Jutta]

In Germany, the LDS church has their own law under the law. It is forbidden for German law to speak against church law decission.

So the dismissal of a church employee who has committed adultery was considered lawful. On the other hand cases are known to me in Germany where child abusers were protected and not notified to the police by the church. Lay clergymen (like Mormons are), want to trated as equal like professional clergymen (like an educated Roman Catholic priest). Therefore they refer to the confessing secret. The confessing secret only applies, or, professions exclusively to professional clergymen which require it (like doctors or therapists).

[_LittleNipper]

Plans to legalise same-sex marriage in England and Wales have cleared the House of Commons with a majority of 205.
The Government's controversial Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill has had its third reading in the Commons and will now go to the House of Lords.

The vote was 366 in favour and 161 against.

Sky News

(Still no Prop 8 style campaign by the Church)

It is no wonder. It's the Timothy Leary trained generation that is now running the show...

[_Quasimodo]

It is no wonder. It's the Timothy Leary trained generation that is now running the show...

The Timothy Leary generation is pretty much all retired now. You'll have to find someone else to blame.

[_Jutta]

It is no wonder. It's the Timothy Leary trained generation that is now running the show...

The Timothy Leary generation is pretty much all retired now. You'll have to find someone else to blame.

What would be, if a member of the royal Family would be gay or trans? Or, that Tommy "comrade" Monson was caught in a gay bar (darkroom)?
This would be hilarious.

[_ludwigm]

Timothy Leary trained generation...

The Timothy Leary generation is pretty much all retired now.

I am one of them - although I didn't know him up to this minute.

" a cadet in the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York. In the first months as a "plebe", he was given numerous demerits for rule infractions"
As was I. And I continued to be a revolutionist in the next 39 years, reaching the title of the very first expert in (military) radar maintenance.

I like the Come Together of Beatles, and all of their music.

No other similarity, by the way...

[_LittleNipper]

It is no wonder. It's the Timothy Leary trained generation that is now running the show...

The Timothy Leary generation is pretty much all retired now. You'll have to find someone else to blame.

The Timothy Leary generation set the examples for their children. We have progressed from abhorring "pinko commies" to aspiring to accept homosexuality and socialism --- Obama care, and viewing homosexuality as equivalent to heterosexual marriage not withstanding.

[_Quasimodo]

The Timothy Leary generation set the examples for their children. We have progressed from abhorring "pinko commies" to aspiring to accept homosexuality and socialism --- Obama care, and viewing homosexuality as equivalent to heterosexual marriage not withstanding.

So you think that Timothy Leary affected millions of people and those people taught their children to be "Learyites" and continue the great apostasy through yet another generation of drug addled, hedonistic sinners and liberals.

I think your hubris and unchristian beliefs have led you astray. Your shrill condemnations of very good people actually gives me hope. I think you and people like you are dwindling. Your loud, vocal protestations are indications that you are starting to feel the wall at your backs.

The world is changing and changing for the good. People are beginning to realize that conservative political and religious dogma is just the prattle of a few of the less educated, older generation.

First world countries are leaving organized religions at a rapid pace. Almost all of them have universal health care and it's working very well. The awful bigotry of the past is fading. You and those like you are becoming anachronisms.

There are seven billion people in the world. Millions in the third world are starving. Millions in the third world are dying from treatable diseases. Tens of thousands are dying in very stupid religious wars.

You are worried about Timothy Leary.

[_LittleNipper]

The Timothy Leary generation set the examples for their children. We have progressed from abhorring "pinko commies" to aspiring to accept homosexuality and socialism --- Obama care, and viewing homosexuality as equivalent to heterosexual marriage not withstanding.

So you think that Timothy Leary affected millions of people and those people taught their children to be "Learyites" and continue the great apostasy through yet another generation of drug addled, hedonistic sinners and liberals.

I think your hubris and unchristian beliefs have led you astray. Your shrill condemnations of very good people actually gives me hope. I think you and people like you are dwindling. Your loud, vocal protestations are indications that you are starting to feel the wall at your backs.

The world is changing and changing for the good. People are beginning to realize that conservative political and religious dogma is just the prattle of a few of the less educated, older generation.

First world countries are leaving organized religions at a rapid pace. Almost all of them have universal health care and it's working very well. The awful bigotry of the past is fading. You and those like you are becoming anachronisms.

There are seven billion people in the world. Millions in the third world are starving. Millions in the third world are dying from treatable diseases. Tens of thousands are dying in very stupid religious wars.

You are worried about Timothy Leary.

The philosophy held by Timothy Leary was/is shared by many baby boomers. The Bible was removed from the majority of educational institutions and replaced with Humanism. Many people are murdered every day and most for very silly nonreligious rationalizations by pathetic individuals. I think you've been hanging around that belfry for far too long...

[_ludwigm]

This is as offtopic as LittleNipper's comment; I respond him only.

The Bible was removed from the majority of educational institutions and replaced with Humanism.

... where the Bible has no place at all.

For example, my TBM wife has diploma in mathematic (she used to teach it in college level *** ), physic (she used to teach it in college level), and nuclear physics (unfortunately she was pensioned when the work on Large Hadron Collider has begun...).

During her university years, no Bible mentioned. Why should have it mentioned? The Bible handles many scientific topic (hehehe) but nuclear physics is missing - maybe Sodom and Gomorrah?

During her four years before university, in Debrecen Reformed College the Bible was presented to her - as to all students - continouosly.

"As the schools are gardens of the church (seminarium ecclesiae)… the languages, Latin and Greek grammar (as well as Hebrew, if possible), dialectics, rhetorics, and the free arts should be taught, these are necessary for theological studies. Then theology and the Scriptures are also to be presented to the students"
The college educated generations of ministers to the Calvinist parishes in Hungary and Transylvania in the last almost five centuries.

When we have met first time, she was an inactive Hungarian Reformed Church member (read: apatheist) - as a daughter of a Hungarian Reformed Church minister...

The Bible was removed from the majority of educational institutions and replaced with Humanism.

Do You use the word Humanism as something with negative connotation? I am asking this seriously, no pun, no joking.

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I used to meet with her students one year after, teaching them electronic things based on hard math; she was a good teacher.