Same Sex Marriage - UK takes another step forward...

[_LittleNipper]

So you see nothing wrong with public school having children read "1984," Fahrenheit 451," "Splendor in the Grass," "Raisin in the Sun," and "The Grapes of Wrath" without any insider knowledge of what might be considered right or wrong or why? The government has no legal right to be teaching anything. And the sooner people like yourself understand that, the sooner education will again become an institution of learning and not mainly for one sided propaganda and a liberal soapbox. And if "My Two Dad's" is a picture book about a child and his gay parents and not about a child's relationship with his Daddy and a heavenly Father, well that's just fine with you --- I suppose?

Back when I was a lad, my parents (neither of whom had read the Bible cover to cover) decided to get us up early every morning and study the scriptures as a family. We started with Genesis, reading an entire chapter aloud each morning. Things went great for about a month and a half until we stumbled across this wonderful little passage, here:

7 And Er, Judah's first-born, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
8 And Judah said unto Onan: 'Go in unto thy brother's wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother unto her, and raise up seed to thy brother.'
9 And Onan knew that the seed would not be his; and it came to pass when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest he should give seed to his brother.
10 And the thing which he did was evil in the sight of the LORD; and He slew him also.

It goes without saying that my family was shocked and sickened to the very core of our being!

I agree with Nipper who believes that graphic and gratuitous books like the Holy Bible should be banned! Moreover, the miscreants who expose this filth to sweet, innocent children should be punished to the fullest extent of the law! Thank you, Brother Nipper for having the courage to take a stand for decency and purity!

That verse you pointed out is about a man who had sex with his dead brother's wife but pulled out when he knew his seamen was about to flow. He was PRETENDING to do his duty, but in fact only went for the ride, and spitefully abused his brother's wife. There is nothing to indicate that a brother had to do perform this task. It is unfortunate that you family didn't seek to understand the real issue. That would require deeper thought and prayer.

[_LittleNipper]

So you see nothing wrong with public school having children read "1984," Fahrenheit 451," "Splendor in the Grass," "Raisin in the Sun," and "The Grapes of Wrath" without any insider knowledge of what might be considered right or wrong or why?

All the books you named are great books (especially "The Grapes of Wrath") . All are works of fiction and don't pretend to be anything else but fiction. Who's insider knowledge would you like to teach alongside those? Muslims? Hindus?

You show your ignorance by saying "insider knowledge". You do not have that sort of knowledge. You only pretend that you have. You are even pretending to yourself.

The book that you would like to have taught along with those is fiction as well and you cannot prove otherwise. The difference between that book and the others is that book pretends to be truth. The others are honest enough to admit that they are fictional.

The government has no legal right to be teaching anything. And the sooner people like yourself understand that, the sooner education will again become an institution of learning and not mainly for one sided propaganda and a liberal soapbox. And if "My Two Dad's" is a picture book about a child and his gay parents and not about a child's relationship with his Daddy and a heavenly Father, well that's just fine with you --- I suppose?

I believe the Federal Government has every legal right to mandate public schools. I think State Governments control the curriculum in their individual public schools. You do have the option to send your children to private (religious) schools.

If you had your way we would all still be living in the middle ages. You should read up on it. It wasn't a happy time. Organized religion held more power than Governments. Ignorance, poverty, starvation and disease prevailed. They spent a lot of time burning people at the stake and stuff.

If you want FREEDOM then allow open and general discussions to go unhampered except for what parents of each child deems inappropriate for their own... If you seek after governmental restraints then what you really desire is Totalitarianism. But you cannot have both. People should have the freedom to make their own mistakes and suffer the results.

[_Quasimodo]

If you want FREEDOM then allow open and general discussions to go unhampered except for what parents of each child deems inappropriate for their own... If you seek after governmental restraints then what you really desire is Totalitarianism. But you cannot have both. People should have the freedom to make their own mistakes and suffer the results.

Private schools are available for parents that wish to keep their children from topics they don't like.

The restraints are for people like you that would force their own particular, unproved, mythological dogma on other people's children. Totalitarianism comes when people are forced to follow someone else's dogmas. That is what you are proposing.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

That verse you pointed out is about a man who had sex with his dead brother's wife but pulled out when he knew his seamen was about to flow. He was PRETENDING to do his duty, but in fact only went for the ride, and spitefully abused his brother's wife. There is nothing to indicate that a brother had to do perform this task. It is unfortunate that you family didn't seek to understand the real issue. That would require deeper thought and prayer.

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you! And deeply disappointed, that you, Little Nipper, would stoop so low as to explicitly and clinically describe an act of coitus interruptus followed by self-pollution culminating in an extra-vaginal eruption of shamefulness! Have you no shame, sir? Good God, what on earth were you thinking? There are children present! Think of the children! The Children!!! THE CHILDREN!!!

(OMG, I can't believe you responded to this, Little Nipper. You take yourself waaaaay too seriously. Lighten up, dude. )

[_Jutta]

To understand why masturbation was forbidden for the old Israelites, you must understand the following:

Israel was a little country with few inhabitants. Surrounded by numerous enemies. The priests wanted the Jewish people to grow; and therefore no seed should be spilled. This is so simple.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

To understand why masturbation was forbidden for the old Israelites, you must understand the following:

Israel was a little country with few inhabitants. Surrounded by numerous enemies. The priests wanted the Jewish people to grow; and therefore no seed should be spilled. This is so simple.

Yes, aggressive, imperialistic invaders will always be surrounded by enemies--enemies of their own making. And I also think it's safe to say that 'ol Yahweh had a murderous obsession with pretty much every bodily fluid, male ejaculate notwithstanding. The point that I and one or two others are trying to make is that the Bible comprises a good deal more sex and violence than, say, The Grapes of Wrath. Take Ezekiel for example:

She lusted after their male consorts, whose sexual organs were like those of donkeys, and whose ejaculation was like that of horses.

[_subgenius]

Problem is, what you quoted is not gratuitous.

I beg to differ, Subby. The phrase "...that he spilled it on the ground..." is gratuitous in the sense that it is needlessly graphic. The messy mental image of Onan flogging his dolphin is entirely superfluous.

Grasp Away

[_The Erotic Apologist]

So...instead of consulting a dictionary and citing a definitive definition for the term gratutious you post a image of some straws???

You're getting lazy, Subby, very lazy...

Tell you what I'll do, I'll see your straw meme and raise you an MTV meme:



Your meme-fu is weak, old man.

[_Jutta]

Virgin Mary is, by the way. the Goddess in new clothes.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Hi, Jutta. I really like your avatar. This forum needs more witches, in my opinion.