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subgenius wrote:well, most atheists and their ilk often refer to the scriptures as being tantamount to, if not just outright, mythology...so i was making an appropriate inquiry.


*shrug* Use of symbolic tales as a literary device doesn't mean the Bible is mythology, but I know what you're saying.
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subgenius wrote:
ludwigm wrote:What about Ecclesiastes 4:11?
Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?
In Hungarian the word "meleg" (base meaning is warm, hot) became today the most PR word for gays...
by the way the same as "gay" in English; in Agatha Christie's novels sometimes I've met this word in the sense of merry, lively. She wrote the Poirots and Miss Marples in 1920s and 1930s.

i think they prefer the term "faggot" or "queer" don't they?

Who are the "they" ?


To the word usage:
If one read/write/speak/use foreign language (for example me...), the dictionaries product some yet not full help.
Descripting something with certain words may be inconvenient in different environments.
There are words can be used in family, in a pub, in parliament, in internet communication ( :twisted: ) - and nowhere else.
Certain words can be used before a friend - or before Queen of England...
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Re: mythology?

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ludwigm wrote:Who are the "they" ?

i believe you established the subject of that pronoun in your own post.


ludwigm wrote:To the word usage:
If one read/write/speak/use foreign language (for example me...), the dictionaries product some yet not full help.
Descripting something with certain words may be inconvenient in different environments.
There are words can be used in family, in a pub, in parliament, in internet communication ( :twisted: ) - and nowhere else.
Certain words can be used before a friend - or before Queen of England...

:neutral:
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subgenius wrote:
madeleine wrote:It is one of the "wisdom" books of the Bible, of which there are seven. Five if you use a Protestant Bible. :mrgreen: Ecclesiastes is a collection of sayings, advice that answer the question, "What brings eternal happiness to man?".

Regarding the verses you have posted, there is a hint for ancient origin in verse 12: "Where one alone may be overcome, two together can resist. A three-ply cord is not easily broken."

There is a Sumerian proverb, more ancient than Ecclesiastes, "no man can snap a three-ply rope".

There is no conclusive date for Ecclesiastes, so how are you being so definitive?
i agree that the two works share this 3-ply proverb...but its origin?
and does this render both as to being mythological?

If Ecclesiastes was originally written in Hebrew, it could not possibly have antedated an ancient Sumerian proverb, as the Hebrew language probably did not exist prior to 1000 BCE, and standard Biblical Hebrew was not used until around the 8th century BCE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_text

Of course, this doesn't preclude the possibility that the author of Ecclesiastes might have borrowed wisdom sayings from more ancient sources and languages.
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subgenius wrote:
ludwigm wrote:Who are the "they" ?
i believe you established the subject of that pronoun in your own post.

Can not You answer a simple question?

The subjects of my post are Agatha Christie and Hungarians.

Agatha Christie didn't use the word "faggot". Never. About "queer" I am not certain.
I have read all of her works in English - even I am a Hungarian/Martian.

In Hungarian, there are many words to homosexuals, with different PR level.
Unfortunately, I don't know all of their English exact equivalent. I am not expert in gay themes. I don't know which H. words are equivalent with "faggot" or "queer".


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subgenius wrote:i think they prefer the term "faggot" or "queer" don't they?
Who are the "they" in this sentence?
Can You answer a simple question?
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Gunnar wrote:If Ecclesiastes was originally written in Hebrew, it could not possibly have antedated an ancient Sumerian proverb, as the Hebrew language probably did not exist prior to 1000 BCE, and standard Biblical Hebrew was not used until around the 8th century BCE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_text

relative to the unknown date of Ecclesiastes how?
Themes and structures for how human beings tell stories and/or convey information is hardly the issue at hand....
once again...the source of this lesson is ?

Gilgamesh is the most reasonable conclusion as to who the "author" is of that Epic, but it is also suggested, and is reasonable, that Gilgamesh is Nimrod from the Bible (Noah's great-grandson).
...so?

Gunnar wrote:Of course, this doesn't preclude the possibility that the author of Ecclesiastes might have borrowed wisdom sayings from more ancient sources and languages.

and if pigs could fly.....
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one week ago I wrote:
subgenius wrote:i think they prefer the term "faggot" or "queer" don't they?
Who are the "they" in this sentence?
Can You answer a simple question?

He can not.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Re: mythology?

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ludwigm wrote:
ludwigm wrote:Who are the "they" in this sentence?
Can You answer a simple question?

He can not.

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Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
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Re: mythology?

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Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them
what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams
If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
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Re: mythology?

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Answers by subgenius.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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