Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

[pistolero]

Who was it that mentioned Fatal Attraction in this thread???

**raises hand**

On this thread and many several threads on our previous board.

Questions for the teeming masses here:

1. Is it really fatal attraction or is she simply an opportunist?
2. One or more Cluster B personality disorders at work?
3. All of the above?

You'd have thought someone with a postgraduate degree from a good school in Psychology could answer that? And maybe, just for a moment sit and reflect and consider self diagnosis. Oh wait, according to the Jeffmeister, a good school is Yale. Sorry Harvard grads.

[dastardly stem]

Questions for the teeming masses here:

1. Is it really fatal attraction or is she simply an opportunist?
2. One or more Cluster B personality disorders at work?
3. All of the above?

At this point, offering up mental illness as an excuse is a kindness, in my opinion.

What is the difference between one acting poorly and has been diagnosed with a mental illness and one who acts similarly and has not been so diagnosed? Is it simply a diagnosis brought on by behavioral signs, or is it more than that? Is mental illness diagnosable in all or near all, but it just so happens many of us run around able to hide the behavior just enough to convict ourselves of meanness, or diabolical-ness in place of mental illness? Stupid questions, kind of. But I mean to say it's all a mental something.

Last evening my son came over to grace his mother with love, affection gifts and all of that. While she went off to nap he and I chatted, catching each other up and we noticed we both have friends, in my case a friend for a couple of decades, who were acting unbelievably unhinged as late. I mean so unhinged these have to be signs of mental illness. Of course we can't in some official capacity diagnose it. But, how do our friends, otherwise capable functional people act so brazenly poorly? And they are friends who otherwise are caring, thoughtful, smart, loving, good, giving....you know stupid crap like that. Is it diagnosable mental illness? Is it issues stemming from past experience and eras? is it all the above?

Alls I can say is poor Rosebud. Its gotta be tough to be her.

[Jersey Girl]

**raises hand**

On this thread and many several threads on our previous board.

Questions for the teeming masses here:

1. Is it really fatal attraction or is she simply an opportunist?
2. One or more Cluster B personality disorders at work?
3. All of the above?

You'd have thought someone with a postgraduate degree from a good school in Psychology could answer that? And maybe, just for a moment sit and reflect and consider self diagnosis. Oh wait, according to the Jeffmeister, a good school is Yale. Sorry Harvard grads.

Do you think that someone who has a personality disorder has self insight? Do you see any evidence of self insight in her approach to this issue over the years? Keep in mind that this has been going on for--let's ballpark it at- ten years now.

[Lem]

There is another issue going on here, with the data dump.

On reddit, jpatterson posted this:

Joanna also does a write-up report to the board of her involvement, expressing regrets at her "shortcomings" as it related to her involvement and then says she will accept the decision of the board as to how to resolve it, then she will step down.

With a link to a letter with no hearing or date.

When he was asked if that report from Joanna was in the data dump, he responded

jpatterson33

Yes, it's on this page in between September 9 and 17.

If you follow his link, then yes, there is now a new link between the two dates.

The problem is, I had a tab open to Rosebud's data dump from earlier today, and the older version has NO such link:

[earlier version data dump]
September 9, 2012 – My decision to rescind my right to an investigation. At the time what I wanted was for the board to protect me from John and to allow me to continue doing my work. I was very sensitive and raw at the time and did not want to get into details about the sexual harassment. All I wanted was for John to calm down so I could move on and continue building the organization and doing the work I loved.

September 17, 2012 – Email of my resignation. I received a phone call from Natasha and another board member again asking me to resign. At that point, I gave up. I had received no help, it was clear they were protecting John at all costs and I realized that no help was going to be available to me.

It's a minor point, I know, but what it proves to me is that u/jpatterson33 is not an independent reddit poster.

It's obvious that Rosebud, at the very least, is telling jpatterson33 what to say, in real time. More realistically, given the very few minutes between the question, jpatterson33's response, and the edition to rosebud's data dump, Rosebud seems to be either using jpatterson's reddit account to make her third person points, or to have created a new jpatterson: i.e. "jpatterson33" so she can post herself.

Bottom line, it seems that this third person internet sock puppetry in support of rosebud seems to stem from one, single source. It does not help her credibility at all.

[pistolero]

There is another issue going on here, with the data dump.

On reddit, jpatterson posted this:

Joanna also does a write-up report to the board of her involvement, expressing regrets at her "shortcomings" as it related to her involvement and then says she will accept the decision of the board as to how to resolve it, then she will step down.

With a link to a letter with no hearing or date.

When he was asked if that report from Joanna was in the data dump, he responded

jpatterson33

Yes, it's on this page in between September 9 and 17.

If you follow his link, then yes, there is now a new link between the two dates.

The problem is, I had a tab open to Rosebud's data dump from earlier today, and the older version has NO such link:

[earlier version data dump]
September 9, 2012 – My decision to rescind my right to an investigation. At the time what I wanted was for the board to protect me from John and to allow me to continue doing my work. I was very sensitive and raw at the time and did not want to get into details about the sexual harassment. All I wanted was for John to calm down so I could move on and continue building the organization and doing the work I loved.

September 17, 2012 – Email of my resignation. I received a phone call from Natasha and another board member again asking me to resign. At that point, I gave up. I had received no help, it was clear they were protecting John at all costs and I realized that no help was going to be available to me.

It's a minor point, I know, but what it proves to me is that u/jpatterson33 is not an independent reddit poster.

So she's already broken this rule that she outlines at the top left of the page: "Any new documents uploaded after launch will be added in chronological order and denoted as *NEW* for a period of one month."

[Kishkumen]

What is the difference between one acting poorly and has been diagnosed with a mental illness and one who acts similarly and has not been so diagnosed? Is it simply a diagnosis brought on by behavioral signs, or is it more than that? Is mental illness diagnosable in all or near all, but it just so happens many of us run around able to hide the behavior just enough to convict ourselves of meanness, or diabolical-ness in place of mental illness? Stupid questions, kind of. But I mean to say it's all a mental something.

Last evening my son came over to grace his mother with love, affection gifts and all of that. While she went off to nap he and I chatted, catching each other up and we noticed we both have friends, in my case a friend for a couple of decades, who were acting unbelievably unhinged as late. I mean so unhinged these have to be signs of mental illness. Of course we can't in some official capacity diagnose it. But, how do our friends, otherwise capable functional people act so brazenly poorly? And they are friends who otherwise are caring, thoughtful, smart, loving, good, giving....you know stupid Crap like that. Is it diagnosable mental illness? Is it issues stemming from past experience and eras? is it all the above?

Alls I can say is poor Rosebud. Its gotta be tough to be her.

Yes, unfortunately people treat mental illness like a personal failing, and thus people tend not to want to go there. People can become mentally ill and then get mentally healthy. It’s not necessarily a lifelong condition. I only say this because I really do think it is better to attribute her serious problems to mental illness as opposed to calculating destructiveness. And her behavior does seem more troubled than malevolent.

[Jersey Girl]

Bottom line, it seems that this third person internet sock puppetry in support of rosebud seems to stem from one, single source. It does not help her credibility at all.

Just how many Internet locations is this being discussed? Wonder how much time she devotes to this on the daily?

[pistolero]

If you follow his link, then yes, there is now a new link between the two dates.

And fortunately, waybackmachine took a capture of the contents of the document page before that change happened. Handy:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210510003 ... cal-order/

[master_dc]

Lem,

jpatterson33 is not a sock puppet. He is a former mo stories volunteer. Heard Rosebud’s story, joint the fight. He has linked to a medium blog and used to write for rationalfaiths.com. He is medium profile makes it clear why he is so fixated on helping Rosebud, as he is sexual assault survivor. He is really advocating for her and getting into it with people on Exmo reddit.

He writes just like Rosebud, so he must be copying and pasting from other places.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

It’s clear to me now more than ever, after having read through the data dump the only goal Rosebud has at this point is to ruin JD’s business and personal life. The thing is most people understand people aren’t perfect, and if JD just owns up to his behavior he’ll be fine. I’d say most ex-Mo’s are trying to find their way and the ones who are interested in JD’s work are probably fine with his flaws because they themselves are flawed, going through growing pains, making not-the-best decisions, being slandered for being imperfect, are isolated, and can take great solace in the community JD has fostered rather than the man himself. In a way it’s a political decision to support an imperfect man because of the greater good he’s doing. Mormons support Joseph Smith, BY, and a host of other personalities that’d get them excommunicated today - hell, most Mormons supported and support Trump, so who are they to take aim at JD for his transition from Mormon to ex-Mormon? And if ex-Mormons are looking for perfection in the ex-Mormon community, man, they’re barking up the wrong tree.

- Doc