The Tanners, their Website and the LDS Church

The upper-crust forum for scholarly, polite, and respectful discussions only. Heavily moderated. Rated G.
_moksha
_Emeritus
Posts: 22508
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:42 pm

Re: The Tanners, their Website and the LDS Church

Post by _moksha »

Jutta wrote:
Three cases from Germany from the last three decades.


Jutta, while I doubt that three cases in three decades represents a comprehensive list, the rate of incidence seems very low. My guess is that America has a higher incidence of all crime than Germany (except for goose stepping and assaults with flugelhorns). Even with the higher American incidence, Mormons contribute less than their fair share.
Cry Heaven and let loose the Penguins of Peace
_Jutta
_Emeritus
Posts: 307
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:07 pm

Re: The Tanners, their Website and the LDS Church

Post by _Jutta »

moksha wrote:
Jutta wrote:
Three cases from Germany from the last three decades.


Jutta, while I doubt that three cases in three decades represents a comprehensive list, the rate of incidence seems very low. My guess is that America has a higher incidence of all crime than Germany (except for goose stepping and assaults with flugelhorns). Even with the higher American incidence, Mormons contribute less than their fair share.


It had happened within two decades, I had been mistaken.
I agree with you; that more crimes (in front of all serious crimes) than in Germany happen in the USA. The USA also has more inhabitants and more area than Germany, though. Therefore one should see everything in relation to each other.
We look at it of the point of view of Christian religion once anyway. Most criminal offenses come from which Christian religion, and, which criminal offenses these are?
Without knowing statistics, I would become the RCC on the first place and the LDS on the second place seitzen. Most crimes should be the area of child abuse and deceit crimes. Not only the WASAG case was a deceit case; artefacts of Indian culture into which primarily members of the LDS were involved also sold in advance the thing with the forged Indian artefacts and this one as fence goods; are part of it.
I do not reproach the LDS that "foul apples" are in their middle as it is mentioned in Germany. I reproach the LDS how they often handle with such cases. A father who makes the abuse public at his child is excommunicated there while the rapist may further be a member of the church.
I had to make this experience of the double moral standards often with the church in my own life.
“People generally quarrel because they cannot argue.” --- G.K. Chesterton
_moksha
_Emeritus
Posts: 22508
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:42 pm

Re: The Tanners, their Website and the LDS Church

Post by _moksha »

Jutta, how do Deutschlanders regard crimes by members of the Islamic faith? Are you still bothered by Gypies and cabaret dancers?
Cry Heaven and let loose the Penguins of Peace
_Mittens
_Emeritus
Posts: 1165
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:07 am

Re: The Tanners, their Website and the LDS Church

Post by _Mittens »

http://thetruthaboutmormonism-creeksalm ... -book.html

The Tanners exposed the lies of Mormonism
Justice = Getting what you deserve
Mercy = Not getting what you deserve
Grace = Getting what you can never deserve
_moksha
_Emeritus
Posts: 22508
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:42 pm

Re: The Tanners, their Website and the LDS Church

Post by _moksha »

Mittens wrote:http://thetruthaboutmormonism-creeksalmon.blogspot.com/2013/09/teachings-of-mormons-not-found-in-book.html

The Tanners exposed the lies of Mormonism


That one sounds more like one of Christian ministries that subside off the Mormon Church through donations by fist shaking detractors. Too much angry editorializing. It does however have a link to the more factual Tanner website.
Cry Heaven and let loose the Penguins of Peace
_Jutta
_Emeritus
Posts: 307
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:07 pm

Re: The Tanners, their Website and the LDS Church

Post by _Jutta »

moksha wrote:Jutta, how do Deutschlanders regard crimes by members of the Islamic faith? Are you still bothered by Gypies and cabaret dancers?


This is a stupid propaganda of you.
Who in Germany a crime does commit (unless, he is from the CIA, the NSA or the Mormons), you draw to account for this legally. The dancers by the way do not bother me, but I the dancers. :mrgreen:
“People generally quarrel because they cannot argue.” --- G.K. Chesterton
_Jutta
_Emeritus
Posts: 307
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:07 pm

Re: The Tanners, their Website and the LDS Church

Post by _Jutta »

moksha wrote:That one sounds more like one of Christian ministries that subside off the Mormon Church through donations by fist shaking detractors. Too much angry editorializing. It does however have a link to the more factual Tanner website.


I appreciate the work of the Tanners. I really do this. I, however, do not use everything of them. Why? Because they have a look at the LDS from a fundamentalist, Christian point of view; and not thinking scientifically.
“People generally quarrel because they cannot argue.” --- G.K. Chesterton
_ZelphtheGreat
_Emeritus
Posts: 1316
Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:33 am

Re: The Tanners, their Website and the LDS Church

Post by _ZelphtheGreat »

Like them or not you get more honest LDS history from them than from the LDS church.
“If paying tithing means that you can’t pay for water or electricity, pay tithing. If paying tithing means that you can’t pay your rent, pay tithing. Even if paying tithing means that you don’t have enough money to feed your family, pay tithing." Ensign/2012/12
_Jutta
_Emeritus
Posts: 307
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:07 pm

Re: The Tanners, their Website and the LDS Church

Post by _Jutta »

ZelphtheGreat wrote:Like them or not you get more honest LDS history from them than from the LDS church.


I agree with you frankly there. What at them only disturbs me; it is that they see everything from a Christian viewpoint. Not from a neutral or scientific viewpoint. For the Tanners the Mormons are wrong because they contradict the Bible. Not because the LDS has often lied and concealed facts and cover-up some crime.
“People generally quarrel because they cannot argue.” --- G.K. Chesterton
Post Reply