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Re: Facsimile 1 Knife in Hand

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subgenius wrote:
The Erotic Apologist wrote:Hey Subby, please provide evidence there was a Great Flood.

if you check this thread closely you will discover that Bazooka is the one claiming there was a flood and has provided his own evidence for that claim (with dates!). So, perhaps you have mistakenly asked me to prove Bazooka's claim.



Err...wrong.
Bazooka was quoting the doctrine of the religion to which you are an adherent.
If you think the Flood thing is baloney then take it up with your Bishop.
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Re: Facsimile 1 Knife in Hand

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The Erotic Apologist wrote:Yes, these little irrelevances are all he has. He'll strain at a gnat but he'll swallow a camel. It's hard to imagine that he's truly unaware of how transparent his games are. It's fairly obvious that the entire point to this thread is the legitimacy of the Book of Abraham, not whether someone can find an ancient image of a knife.

yes, it was obvious...but the OP was relying on an absurd, arrogant, and flawed position...exemplified by the challenge of "any pic by anyone"!

It is entirely possible to make a claim that is false yet argue with logical coherency for that claim, just as is possible to make a claim that is true and justify it with various fallacies and poor arguments.

so, while the OP is poorly constructed no one can conclude truth of falsehood from its argument - the OP could have simply read "The Book of Abraham is not legitimate" and accomplished the same thing. The inept posturing about museum studies and sophomoric challenges for "any pic" simply reduce that claim from being a symptom of Turrets Syndrome to merely cynical babble.
If the poster has an actual position to argue then so be it....up to this point both position and argument have been absent from the OP.
moving the goalpost is inevitable on this thread.
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Re: Facsimile 1 Knife in Hand

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subgenius wrote:So, by the logic of your claim:
God is powerful enough to flood the earth but is unable to repopulate Egypt within a certain time period.....got it!

besides, i appreciate the honesty in the date, of the circumcision image, being listed as "circa".

good luck on your thread derail.


Not my claim.
You tried to rebut the OP with a piece of anti-mormon material which, according to Mormon doctrine, must be fake.

The logic of your claim about the item you posted is that (assuming you believe in the Mormon doctrine about the flood) God flooded the earth in circa 2,400 Bc killing iff everyone except for 8 people who landed in America a year after the flood started to subside. The evidence you have put forward in this thread dates to 2,340 BC. So it is your claim, and your religious doctrinal logic that, within 60 years (or thereabouts) after God destroyed all but 8 people, a civilisation had sprung up in Egypt.

The proof is on you old fruit, as it is you making the claim.
Or are you happy to throw Mormon doctrine under the bus?
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Re: Facsimile 1 Knife in Hand

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Bazooka wrote:Err...wrong.
Bazooka was quoting the doctrine of the religion to which you are an adherent.
If you think the Flood thing is baloney then take it up with your Bishop.

Err...wrong
you introduced the subject...dance with who brought you.

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Re: Facsimile 1 Knife in Hand

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Bazooka wrote:
^This, according to Mormon doctrine, has to be a fake.

.....or the archaeologist got the date wrong.
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Re: Facsimile 1 Knife in Hand

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ludwigm wrote:
Explanation 3. The kings of Fifth Dynasty of Egypt sent up their people to the pyramids they built.
At least this must have explained someway. That kings ruled from 2494 BC to 2345 BC - approximately during the flood. And those kings are better documented than the Book of Mormon's ones.

Here is a good example of too much alcohol and not enough bread.

Obviously this poster is unfamiliar with Manetho, who lived in Egypt about 200 BC - the historian who is responsible for the "dates" of these kings....to which our pornographic cartoon aficionado attributes the idea of how things are "better documented".
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subgenius wrote:
The Erotic Apologist wrote:Hey Subby, please provide evidence there was a Great Flood.

if you check this thread closely you will...blah...blah...blah...

Hey Subby, please provide evidence there was a Great Flood.
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subgenius wrote:
bcuzbcuz wrote:I don't have to move any goals posts. You've already done it. When do you see circumcision done in any "BOOK of the DEAD"? Unless, of course, it's a circumcision gone horribly wrong.

your own post does not require any "from the BOOK of the DEAD".
Goal was scored right where you placed the goalpost.

again you wrote
"I'd even like to see any picture that from a pryamid text or a coffin text that shows anyone"

and now you have seen "any picture"

check your arrogance it demeans your already futile point.


You're dishonestly cherry picking from the OP. The contrast was holding a knife in a threatening manner and using a knife as a tool. The picture you found shows using the knife as a tool. The goalposts haven't moved -- you simply fumbled.
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Re: Facsimile 1 Knife in Hand

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Brad Hudson wrote:You're dishonestly cherry picking from the OP. The contrast was holding a knife in a threatening manner and using a knife as a tool. The picture you found shows using the knife as a tool. The goalposts haven't moved -- you simply fumbled.


Of course he is, that's all he's got.

The image he posted, rather than it showing someone standing over another individual in a threatening manner, shows people kneeling before them in servitude.
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Re: Facsimile 1 Knife in Hand

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subgenius wrote:
The Erotic Apologist wrote:Yes, these little irrelevances are all he has. He'll strain at a gnat but he'll swallow a camel. It's hard to imagine that he's truly unaware of how transparent his games are. It's fairly obvious that the entire point to this thread is the legitimacy of the Book of Abraham, not whether someone can find an ancient image of a knife.

yes, it was obvious...but the OP was relying on an absurd, arrogant, and flawed position...exemplified by the challenge of "any pic by anyone"!

It is entirely possible to make a claim that is false yet argue with logical coherency for that claim, just as is possible to make a claim that is true and justify it with various fallacies and poor arguments.

so, while the OP is poorly constructed no one can conclude truth of falsehood from its argument - the OP could have simply read "The Book of Abraham is not legitimate" and accomplished the same thing. The inept posturing about museum studies and sophomoric challenges for "any pic" simply reduce that claim from being a symptom of Turrets Syndrome to merely cynical babble.
If the poster has an actual position to argue then so be it....up to this point both position and argument have been absent from the OP.
moving the goalpost is inevitable on this thread.

I'm comfortable with the conclusion that the Book of Abraham is entirely a work of fiction. Are you? If not, why?
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