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_Crog
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Without God, morals are subjective... Nature is propagation and consumption.
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Crog wrote:Without God, morals are subjective... Nature is propagation and consumption.

Does "God" necessarily have to be a supernatural being in order to exert a moral force on individuals?
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Crog wrote:Without God, morals are subjective... Nature is propagation and consumption.


How obtuse, unless you're being sarcastic. I can't tell.

It really isn't that simple.
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Crog wrote:Without God, morals are subjective... Nature is propagation and consumption.



Morals are merely the collective negotiated principles which best seem to facilitate mass propagation and consumption.
When those negotiated principles no longer feel to a collective to be to their advantage, war ensues.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
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I note subby, has not yet been able to answer his own question posed in the OP....
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_Crog
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Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:
Crog wrote:Without God, morals are subjective... Nature is propagation and consumption.


How obtuse, unless you're being sarcastic. I can't tell.

It really isn't that simple.


Please clarify how it is not that simple... And how i am being obtuse? I really have to laugh! Now your comment of " out is not that simple" would be the example for the definition of obtuse!
The road to ruin is paved with good intentions.

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"Nowadays LDS have no doctrine just confusion. No gospel. No theology. Just confusion. The fruits of trampling the Holy One of Israel under foot........pride led."
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_Crog
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Bazooka wrote:
Crog wrote:Without God, morals are subjective... Nature is propagation and consumption.



Morals are merely the collective negotiated principles which best seem to facilitate mass propagation and consumption.
When those negotiated principles no longer feel to a collective to be to their advantage, war ensues.


That would be a humanist! Collective morality.
The road to ruin is paved with good intentions.

nightlion, quote.
"Nowadays LDS have no doctrine just confusion. No gospel. No theology. Just confusion. The fruits of trampling the Holy One of Israel under foot........pride led."
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
Crog wrote:Without God, morals are subjective... Nature is propagation and consumption.

Does "God" necessarily have to be a supernatural being in order to exert a moral force on individuals?


pretty good question!

So now i think we have to define supernatural and natural.

Is supernatural not really super? Is it just the unknown.?

so to answer your question. No, it can and is natural and not supernatural.
The road to ruin is paved with good intentions.

nightlion, quote.
"Nowadays LDS have no doctrine just confusion. No gospel. No theology. Just confusion. The fruits of trampling the Holy One of Israel under foot........pride led."
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So instead of supernatural.... We go to natural force... Which brings us to the nature of God... I don't believe morality is... Forced. It is just his natural presence.
The road to ruin is paved with good intentions.

nightlion, quote.
"Nowadays LDS have no doctrine just confusion. No gospel. No theology. Just confusion. The fruits of trampling the Holy One of Israel under foot........pride led."
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Bazooka wrote:I note subby, has not yet been able to answer his own question posed in the OP....


Still nothing :surprised:
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