Religious Freedom as code for the ability to limit Homos

[Guest]

Social religion never saved anyone.

*ring ring....ring ring...ring ring...*
"Hello The Samaritans...how can I help you?"
"Do you save fallen women?"
"Yes of course we do."
"Good, save one for me...."

Can you provide one demonstrably tangible piece of evidence that supports your testimony that God saves people?

[_subgenius]

Religious freedom can mean the right to worship as we see fit.

It can also be used as a code phrase for the ability to limit the civil rights of homosexuals. The trick is to see through the trickery in the use of this phrase. That way you can avoid using a benign concept like religious freedom to harm others. http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormon-apostle-holland-faith-family-freedom

Your thoughts about this issue of using phrases like Religious Freedom or States Rights to mask your true intent?

As far as I understand the American law system, there is a separation from church and state. The state decides the laws and guidelines with which all people shall live. And the churches may freely and unhinderedly perform their religion if they observe rules also applying to them for a long time. Have I said this correctly?
Christian churches, such as the RCC, the LDS and evangelicals now, however; making this separation from church and state sodden. Besides the evolution teaching the teaching shall be taught of the "intelligent Design" in schools. The school prayer and religious instruction shall be permitted again in public schools. And, only a certain "sexual education lesson" shall take place in schools.
The founding fathers Jefferson, Washington and Adams were for a separation from church and state. Because they knew how frightfully can it be if a religious connection between church and state could be. I only remind of the "monkey process" ; where a teacher was dismissed because he taught the evolution teaching (I think this was around 1920).

You are close on a number of points.
The idea of a separate church and state in the US is, as with most legal ideas, a point of interpretation. While it is clear that our founding fathers did not want the state involved in the church there is no mention of any church not being involved in the state. This is an important distinction in as much as the state is not permitted to influence the church but the church may certainly be permitted to influence the state...just as any individual or collective may influence the state.
Interestingly enough, the laws in the US, and more importantly the legal process, is intended to distill what the country desires...what the country wants to exert in public. So, while the desire for evolution, creation, or both to be taught in public school might each be viewed as an "imposition" of will, it ultimately should be decided by the people....sometimes this results in a majority rule....and if the majority happen to be church then so be it.

by the way, the Scopes monkey trial resulted with Scopes being found guilty.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Social religion never saved anyone. Only coming to the personal truth that Jesus Christ is God and died to save sinful man, can one be truly saved from eternal separation from God. It is not through works or a set of instructions but by Christ alone. And that is the truth of the Bible. But if one doesn't fully believe the Bible (God's Word) one can hardly fully place one's faith in Jesus without doubt.

Nipper, the only way this can make sense is if A) there is a god, and B) it's the ancient war god of the tribal Hebrews, as opposed to some other god. Unfortunately, there is no clear, compelling evidence that this is the case. If you happen to know of any such evidence, I would very much like to see it.

[_subgenius]

Social religion never saved anyone. Only coming to the personal truth that Jesus Christ is God and died to save sinful man, can one be truly saved from eternal separation from God. It is not through works or a set of instructions but by Christ alone. And that is the truth of the Bible. But if one doesn't fully believe the Bible (God's Word) one can hardly fully place one's faith in Jesus without doubt.

Nipper, the only way this can make sense is if A) there is a god, and B) it's the ancient war god of the tribal Hebrews, as opposed to some other god. Unfortunately, there is no clear, compelling evidence that this is the case. If you happen to know of any such evidence, I would very much like to see it.

i already gave you evidence...but for your pleasure, here it is again

1. I witness that there is a God
2. I witness that the God i witness is the ancient war god of the tribal Hebrews, as opposed to some other god

proven for the win!

[_The Erotic Apologist]

1. I witness that there is a God
2. I witness that the God i witness is the ancient war god of the tribal Hebrews, as opposed to some other god

Sorry subby, but my own witness that god is in fact Dr. Manhattan predates your somewhat tardy witness in favor of the effeminate lamb god of the New Testament.



And besides, everybody who pays attention to these things already knows that M'orgoth the Worm God long ago devoured the entrails of the effeminate lamb god of the New Testament. So there.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Your meme-fu is weak, old man.

[_subgenius]

[_LittleNipper]

Social religion never saved anyone. Only coming to the personal truth that Jesus Christ is God and died to save sinful man, can one be truly saved from eternal separation from God. It is not through works or a set of instructions but by Christ alone. And that is the truth of the Bible. But if one doesn't fully believe the Bible (God's Word) one can hardly fully place one's faith in Jesus without doubt.

Nipper, the only way this can make sense is if A) there is a god, and B) it's the ancient war god of the tribal Hebrews, as opposed to some other god. Unfortunately, there is no clear, compelling evidence that this is the case. If you happen to know of any such evidence, I would very much like to see it.

The Hebrew and his religious beliefs have existed for thousands of years. Everyone who is not a believer of a Hebrew known as the Christ wanted/wants the Hebrews exterminated. This seems rather odd if one the Bible is untrue; two, if there is no real God who stated such would be the case; and three the unquestionable fact that Israel is such a small insignificant country but everything seems to happen surrounding it. Now, you are either ignorant of these facts or you have been blinded to the truth because you are not a child of God.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

The Hebrew and his religious beliefs have existed for thousands of years. Everyone who is not a believer of a Hebrew known as the Christ wanted/wants the Hebrews exterminated. This seems rather odd if one the Bible is untrue; two, if there is no real God who stated such would be the case; and three the unquestionable fact that Israel is such a small insignificant country but everything seems to happen surrounding it. Now, you are either ignorant of these facts or you have been blinded to the truth because you are not a child of God.

"The Hebrew and his religious beliefs have existed for thousands of years."
So have many other competing belief systems.

Everyone who is not a believer of a Hebrew known as the Christ wanted/wants the Hebrews exterminated.
Absolutely false. FYI, in Europe, most of the people who are antagonistic toward "Hebrews" happen to be Christians...or have you forgotten our discussion about Martin Luther?

"This seems rather odd if one the Bible is untrue..."
How so?

"...the unquestionable fact that Israel is such a small insignificant country but everything seems to happen surrounding it."
No. Neither of the world wars directly involved Israel. The Cold War did not directly involve Israel. The oil-producing states that surround Israel exert greater influence on world affairs than Israel.

"Now, you are either ignorant of these facts or you have been blinded to the truth because you are not a child of God."
Technically you're not a child of god either because you still don't posses clear, compelling proof that A) a god exists, and B) it's the god of the Bible, as opposed to some other god.

[_subgenius]

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