The Book of Romans the LDS refuse to heed

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Re: The Book of Romans the LDS refuse to heed

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Bazooka wrote:
subgenius wrote:sez you


Nope, sez President Ezra Taft Benson.
http://www.LDS.org/liahona/1981/06/four ... he-prophet

*Perhaps, subby, if you paid more attention at Church you'd know these doctrinal concepts without needing me to educate you on them.


The key is the "wording".... The scriptures are not "less important", they are in fact JUST AS important.
But when there is a living prophet on the earth, that prophet IS more "vital" to the world, because he is the mouthpiece of God, he is from God from whence the words of scripture come from in the first place.

They are the "Living Word"....

Thus, perhaps maybe if you actually understood the concepts you were speaking, we wouldn't have to correct your judgment of our own doctrinal concepts.
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LittleNipper wrote:Where in the Bible does it say that the scripture is less important than a living Prophet? Where does it even imply such a thing? Where in the Bible is the Word of God places at a disadvantage to what a "Prophet" has to say. This would seem to be a pagan belief. It is actually a Mormon one?

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ldsfaqs wrote:The scriptures are not "less important", they are in fact JUST AS important.

ldsfaqs wrote:But when there is a living prophet on the earth, that prophet IS more "vital" to the world...


“When he concluded, Brother Joseph turned to Brother Brigham Young and said, ‘Brother Brigham I want you to go to the podium and tell us your views with regard to the living oracles and the written word of God.’ Brother Brigham took the stand, and he took the Bible, and laid it down; he took the Book of Mormon, and laid it down; and he took the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, and laid it down before him, and he said: ‘There is the written word of God to us, concerning the work of God from the beginning of the world, almost, to our day. And now,’ said he, ‘when compared with the living oracles those books are nothing to me; those books do not convey the word of God direct to us now, as do the words of a Prophet or a man bearing the Holy Priesthood in our day and generation. I would rather have the living oracles than all the writing in the books.’ That was the course he pursued. When he was through, Brother Joseph said to the congregation; ‘Brother Brigham has told you the word of the Lord, and he has told you the truth.’” (Conference Report, October 1897, pp. 18–19.)

http://www.LDS.org/liahona/1981/06/four ... he-prophet

"...when compared with the living oracles those books {referring to the Bible and Book of Mormon} are nothing to me...."

ldsfaqs, I hope you are now going to explain how the above phrase (taken from Presidents 'Fourteen Fundamentals of Following the Prophet where he quotes Joseph Smith) actually means the same as:
"...when compared with the living oracles those books {referring to the Bible and Book of Mormon} are of equal value to me...."

Here, within the same talk by President Benson, is further confirmation that the current living Prophet is more important and more valid in what he says than scripture:
Third: The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.

God’s revelation to Adam did not instruct Noah how to build the Ark. Noah needed his own revelation. Therefore the most important prophet so far as you and I are concerned is the one living in our day and age to whom the Lord is currently revealing His will for us. Therefore the most important reading we can do is any of the words of the prophet contained each month in our Church Magazines. Our instructions about what we should do for each six months are found in the General Conference addresses which are printed in the Church magazine.

Beware of those who would set up the dead prophets against the living prophets, for the living prophets always take precedence.


The scriptures are merely the words of dead Prophets.
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Christ fulfilled "the law and the prophets". "In the PAST God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, BUT in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son..." Hebrews 1:1-2a.
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Albion wrote:Christ fulfilled "the law and the prophets". "In the PAST God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, BUT in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son..." Hebrews 1:1-2a.


Is Jesus Christ here now? If so, would you mind pointing him out? I've got a few questions for him.
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Tobin wrote:
Albion wrote:Christ fulfilled "the law and the prophets". "In the PAST God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, BUT in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son..." Hebrews 1:1-2a.


Is Jesus Christ here now? If so, would you mind pointing him out? I've got a few questions for him.


Well why didn't you ask them when he was stood in your apartment?
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Tobin wrote:
Albion wrote:Christ fulfilled "the law and the prophets". "In the PAST God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, BUT in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son..." Hebrews 1:1-2a.


Is Jesus Christ here now? If so, would you mind pointing him out? I've got a few questions for him.


No, not in the physical sense but I could respond by suggesting that you ask him anyway to find out for yourself since that is your usual response. Perhaps it is time to take your own advice. However, Mormons do claim to follow scripture as the basis for their beliefs but as is so often the case they tend to cling to their so-called "proof texts", often completely ignoring context and continuity of scripture. My response was in accord with the very set of scriptures use above to support the idea of a prophet leader today.
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Albion wrote:
Tobin wrote:Is Jesus Christ here now? If so, would you mind pointing him out? I've got a few questions for him.
No, not in the physical sense but I could respond by suggesting that you ask him anyway to find out for yourself since that is your usual response. Perhaps it is time to take your own advice. However, Mormons do claim to follow scripture as the basis for their beliefs but as is so often the case they tend to cling to their so-called "proof texts", often completely ignoring context and continuity of scripture. My response was in accord with the very set of scriptures use above to support the idea of a prophet leader today.
Actually, that is a distortion of what I recommend to others. I ask others to seek God and speak with him face-to-face and hear what he has to say, as all the prophets have done before them. And I certainly would champion listening to someone that has done that and heard what the Lord has to say, wouldn't you? Unless you don't care about what God has to say today. But then, that is what you are saying when you state there is no need for man to speak with God and as a result relay what he has to say to others (i.e. be prophets) isn't it?
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I think the distortion is yours...fully and completely in response to what I said so I won't dignify it further by responding with reiteration and clarification.
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Albion wrote:I think the distortion is yours...fully and completely in response to what I said so I won't dignify it further by responding with reiteration and clarification.

Suit yourself. I think I clarified the issue rather accurately and your routine of ducking and running for cover does not impress me.
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