Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

[Kishkumen]

Agreed that "no" and "leave" would be naughty of JD.

What I read is that JD was saying "no", "no", "no", "no", ......... for some time and then "leave". The "leave" is precipitated by Rosebud not responding to "no", multiple times.

And if that leave had been, “leave Open Stories Foundation,” why did she then get invited to apply as an independent contractor?

[master_dc]

Agreed that "no" and "leave" would be naughty of JD.

What I read is that JD was saying "no", "no", "no", "no", ......... for some time and then "leave". The "leave" is precipitated by Rosebud not responding to "no", multiple times.

And if that leave had been, “leave Open Stories Foundation,” why did she then get invited to apply as an independent contractor?

But he does ask her to leave Open Stories Foundation in his email to her. The board offered her the 1099 position.

[Kishkumen]

But he does ask her to leave Open Stories Foundation in his email to her. The board offered her the 1099 position.

They were both offered 1099 positions.

[Esme]

I think a major mistake by JD was when he removed her from the Facebook groups and MS website, making it extremely difficult for Rosebud to do her job. This seems retaliatory.

She emailed him asking for a new password for the MS site so she can make some updates. He replies

I deleted [your account] because you're not listening to me.

Not listening to him about what?

Is he her supervisor/superior that he can punish her in this way if she is "not listening" to him?

[jpatterson]

What I can’t understand is why widely disparate parties would find this an effective brickbat with which to destroy JD nine years after the fact.

Nobody wants to destroy John or thinks they're even capable of destroying John. I can't destroy John. MSP will go on long after I've grown tired of pointing out John's hypocrisies.

It's really not that hard to understand. For someone who himself a "truth-teller," why won't he just tell the damned truth?

[jpatterson]

They were both offered 1099 positions.

No they weren't. They were offered the option to reapply.

[Kishkumen]

Nobody wants to destroy John or thinks they're even capable of destroying John. I can't destroy John. MSP will go on long after I've grown tired of pointing out John's hypocrisies.

It's really not that hard to understand. For someone who himself a "truth-teller," why won't he just tell the stupid truth?

Disingenuous, naïve, or both.

[consiglieri]

What I can’t understand is why widely disparate parties would find this an effective brickbat with which to destroy JD nine years after the fact.

Nobody wants to destroy John or thinks they're even capable of destroying John. I can't destroy John. MSP will go on long after I've grown tired of pointing out John's hypocrisies.

What does a “millstone” do?

What does “the end” mean?

[Esme]

In John's email to Rosebud he write:

I need you just to go. I need MS to contract. I need to have no more [REDACTED] drama. I need to have no more
conferences for a few years. I need to not have to manage you, or other things outside of the bare bones, selfsustaining
essentials (like MS and DanW's MM). I need things to be really, really simple, or I'll never finish my Ph.D.

And

I need us to downsize. Small footprint. I need simple, self sustaining, scalable projects (NOT like
conferences, or even MMH) -- and I need everything else to go dormant until I can resume management of things
after I graduate.

Even if Rosebud is given the option to reapply, same as John was, what is she going to be reapplying for? It appears her duties/job are going to be eliminated so what reasonable chance does she have that she is going to be re-hired?

[jpatterson]

This thread has now been 125+ pages of me (extremely poorly), and now Lem (much more effectively) explaining multiple times what constituted sexual harassment by using clear evidence -- followed by a handful of posters continually responding with "Wait, explain with evidence again how it was sexual harassment??"