Prayer and Learning by the Spirit

[_SteelHead]

It is working out great. As demonstrably great as your guidance from some ghost.

[_Jay]

Well that was an interesting divergence,

Hopefully we can get back to the original question.

[_SteelHead]

Jay,
When you "receive guidance from the hg" how do you know with a surety that it is not Exu? He is a trickster god after all.

[Guest]

I have tried to explain the feeling of Holy Ghost giving new insight, and I find it about as impossible as describing the color of a sunset to a blind man. Even though it is difficult to describe, it is real, tangible and can be recognized.

Not being able to describe well something does not mean it is from some unseen being. Emotions, thoughts or other sensations the body produces can be very hard to describe. Keep in mind the LDS church does provide descriptions of what they think are communication with the HG.

If you will use this key when you pray, it will unlock the truth and you will know if the Holy Ghost has spoken to you or if it is any other voice. The test is very simple.

Ok

When you have prayed and asked God to reveal something to you, and now you hear an answer coming into your mind into your soul, when you have received the answer, ask yourself this question, "Is there any doubt at all in my heart that this might be wrong? Is there even a little tiny flicker of doubt?" If a truth has been testated to you by the Holy Ghost, there is no doubt. If you feel even a flicker of doubt, then you have not received the witness of the Holy Ghost.

You lost me here. How does one's feeling of certainty show that is was from the HG?

Are you suggesting that someone who has an experience generated only by their body of an answer to coming into their mind will not be able to have no doubts about it?

Also, if we assume the HG exists and does give revelation to people, are you suggesting if the HG sends a message to a person they cannot doubt it or where they think the experience is coming from? Can we find examples of church leaders doubting some of the spiritual experiences they believe are from the HG?

[_Themis]

I have yet to hear of any reliable way to identify the difference.

The same way you learn to walk, trial and error.

This statement is just gibberish. It's says nothing about how one can reliably tell the difference.

[_Themis]

For some reason...odd a sit may seem...posters like Bazooka deny "self-evident" when it comes to all things theological...but readily accept "self-evident" when it comes to granting LGBT a marriage license.

You might try thinking about what self-evident means. It's not self-evident if people cannot agree.

[_SteelHead]

31% of the world is christian.

Guess the holy ghost is not self evident to 69% of the planet.

0.2% Is Mormon. Mormon holy ghost is "very" not self evident.

[_Gunnar]

31% of the world is christian.

Guess the holy ghost is not self evident to 69% of the planet.

0.2% Is Mormon. Mormon holy ghost is "very" not self evident.

As I said on another thread, nothing is more self-evident than the unreliability of appeals to divine authority or "promptings of the HG."

[_subgenius]

It is working out great. As demonstrably great as your guidance from some ghost.

then why are you complaining when someone subscribes to the same form of verification as you do?
If your method and another's method are equally "as demonstrably great", then there is no reasonable cause for you to offer criticism beyond that which your ego demands of you...
or is it something else...like...
self-loathing by proxy?

[_subgenius]

For some reason...odd a sit may seem...posters like Bazooka deny "self-evident" when it comes to all things theological...but readily accept "self-evident" when it comes to granting LGBT a marriage license.

You might try thinking about what self-evident means. It's not self-evident if people cannot agree.

so....since entire populations disagree with the premise put forth in the DoI you now consider those premises to not be truths at all...got it!
and for the record...as usual...you are wrong...that is not at all what self-evident means....or implies.
but thanks for playing