Thoughts regarding God's Grace

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_Bazooka
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Re: Thoughts regarding God's Grace

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subgenius wrote:
LaVey wrote:Is this the same god who loves us so much that he's willing to torture and punish us for all eternity if we don't love him back?

That's not love. If it was, then the Video Diary of Ricardo López would be the greatest love story of all time.

Your feeble attempt to personify God is the first symptom of your confusion and inaccurate understanding.


How can we do otherwise when our leaders inform us that God is merely an exalted man who was once like us?
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_LeVay
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Re: Thoughts regarding God's Grace

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Bazooka wrote:Personally I think this would read better if the last line was:
"From what I'm gonna do if you let me in..."


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Sister Mary Ignatius Explains It All For You is a play by Christopher Durang first performed on December 14, 1979, at the Ensemble Studio Theatre in New York City. Durang, who was raised a Roman Catholic, won an Obie Award for the play as did Elizabeth Franz for her role as Sister Mary Ignatius. (Wikipedia)

SPOILER ALERT...According to Sister Mary, the best way to protect pure, virginal children from Satan's snares is to kill them. Makes perfect sense.
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Re: Thoughts regarding God's Grace

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Hey !

Endre Ady :

Scourge me, Lord (English by Bernard Adams)
Lord, Thou hast plagued me, harried, put me to shame,
Thy hand hath brandished scourges of many kinds.
Thou hast known the reason:
Great, forsooth, have been Thy little servants sins.

Sinful indeed have I been, stealing Thy tunes,
Swilling Thy wine, making love to Thy women.
Worthily Thy scourge,
Soaked salt in tears, sharp, hath brought retribution.

Thou hast fashioned a lash from each of my sins,
Oft have I been cut to the quick, blood has flowed.
Yet Thy scourge of love
Of all Thy scourges causeth the keenest woe.

Lord, be that the last with which Thou scourgest me
Justly for my great sins, painfully and hard,
And that woman too
To whom I bequeath my chastised, evil heart.


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Sokféle ostort suhogtatott kezed:
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Kis szolgád bizton nagyokat vétkezett.

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Nőid csókoltam s kortyongattam borod.
Méltón sujtott rám
Könnyben áztatott, sós, éles ostorod.

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Csöpp, beteg vérem sokszor kiütközött,
Ám csók-ostorod
Legfájóbb ostor ostoraid között.

Uram, utolszor evvel ostorozz meg
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És azt az asszonyt,
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_subgenius
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Re: Thoughts regarding God's Grace

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Bazooka wrote:How can we do otherwise when our leaders inform us that God is merely an exalted man who was once like us?

How? ...gee, "exalted" seems like an obvious point of departure...but your posts seem to always be flightless on the whole character and nature of God...perhaps if you started slowly, built up some speed...increase your lift as it were?
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them
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Re: Thoughts regarding God's Grace

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LeVay wrote:Please feel free to elaborate.

Since you missed it the first time, i will elaborate with bold type
abuser
there is no evidence that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that God is an abuser.
Whereas the same cannot be said of he who you place your faith upon.
and that is what, ironically, you do not "get"
Got it?
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them
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_LeVay
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Re: Thoughts regarding God's Grace

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subgenius wrote:
LaVey wrote:Please feel free to elaborate.

Since you missed it the first time, i will elaborate with bold type
abuser
there is no evidence that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that God is an abuser.

Expand your mind.
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subgenius wrote:Whereas the same cannot be said of he who you place your faith upon.
Nope, faith has nothing to do with it.


subgenius wrote:and that is what, ironically, you do not "get"
Got it?
Nope, faith still doesn't have anything to do with it.

Are you sure this reply wasn't intended for someone else?
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Re: Thoughts regarding God's Grace

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LeVay wrote:
subgenius wrote:Satan being a much more comforting role model?
More comforting than whom? Do you have someone specific in mind?



How about that Texas Chainsaw Massacre guy.

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Wonder if Subgenius has some estimate of the percentage contribution made by God's Grace versus Gospel Ordinances. Would it be a 40-60 split?

Of those ordinances, would a sealing contribute more points than and initiatory?
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_Albion
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Re: Thoughts regarding God's Grace

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Please amend to read Mormon gospel ordinances.
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Re: Thoughts regarding God's Grace

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Albion wrote:Please amend to read Mormon gospel ordinances.

You're free to start your own thread on the subject of grace and give it whatever title you think best.
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Re: Thoughts regarding God's Grace

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Well the subject of the thread is grace, clearly a Biblical principle and subject whereas those ordinances peculiar to Mormonism are not.
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