The Book of Mormon contridicts Mormonism

[_LittleNipper]

What Chinese writing NOW is and how it originated are two entirely different things. Ancient Chinese writing was once very pictorial. and it seems rather obvious that some ancient Chinese were aware of the story of the flood. The ignorant are going to believe that man evolved from LOWER life forms and then turn right around and suggest the a very complex form of writing originated as a "compound system made up of phonetic elements and semantic roots."

[_The Erotic Apologist]

What Chinese writing NOW is and how it originated are two entirely different things.

That's exactly what I've been telling you all along: Modern Chinese characters are very different from their earlier forms. And now that we've cleared that up, would you please explain why you and certain other christians find it necessary to resort to deception when attempting to evangelize non-believers?

Ancient Chinese writing was once very pictorial.

Nope--that's like saying the Roman alphabet was once very pictorial because of its Phoenician roots, and it's just as wrong. In point of fact, both the ancient character forms and the standardized complex character forms of today were and are composed of phonetic elements and semantic radicals. I suspect your problem might be related to your failure to grasp the meaning of basic terms like complex characters, simplified characters, and stroke order index. Or you might simply have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and are unwilling to admit it. In any case, this will all become much clearer once you've memorized the basic 214 radicals, plus the additional odds and ends used by modern speakers.

Here's a little quiz for you, Nipper--please describe to me one of the various methods that Chinese people use to look up a given character in a Chinese dictionary.

...and it seems rather obvious that some ancient Chinese were aware of the story of the flood.

No, it doesn't. This is a lie that in some respects is similar to the lies some Mormons like to tell about the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Mormons and Christians both have their own tall tales they like to tell.

The ignorant are going to believe that man evolved from LOWER life forms and then turn right around and suggest the a very complex form of writing originated as a "compound system made up of phonetic elements and semantic roots."

None of what you're saying here makes any sense, but it sounds like you're mixing up the Theory of Evolution with the Evolution of written Chinese--sorry, but they're not the same. Could this possibly have something to do with the fact that you don't know the difference between the ROC and the PRC, either?

And no, Chinese is not complex at all. In many ways it is much simpler than English. I suspect it may also be much simpler than Japanese, but since I don't speak Japanese I can't say for certain.

[_LittleNipper]

China is China. They both speak Chinese and China wants to control China. And again ancient Chinese picture writing seems to support the story of the Flood and is still demonstrated in its written tradition to this day.

You are definitely showing your ignorance, Little Nipper.

Does Communist China not want to manipulate Taiwan..? Ignorance is bliss... Prove that this is not true. Prove that the shapes of Chinese written characters have had absolutely no Genesis influence whatsoever. I would imagine that anyone looking for God would want to note the intriguing possibilities, and not bury them without any astounding evidence to the contrary to provide... I might add that there are now 40 million Chinese Protestants in China where there was once on 1/2 million in 1949. There are possibly more practicing Christians in China then in all of Europe. And what nation is growing and maturing. But this does not meant that their government is not still reticent and manipulative.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Does Communist China not want to manipulate Taiwan..?

Communist China also wants to manipulate the United States. Therefore Communist China and the United States are the same country. That's brilliant, Nipper.

Nipper, are you really an undercover atheist who wants to make christians look stupid by posting moronic comments on the internet? If you are, you're doing an excellent job. Your breathtaking nincompoopery does more damage to christianity in an hour than what I can accomplish in an entire week.

Ignorance is bliss... Prove that this is not true.

Why would you want me to prove ignorance is not bliss? That's just weird, Nipper.

Prove that the shapes of Chinese written characters have had absolutely no Genesis influence whatsoever.

I already have, by pointing out the following...

• the modern characters that christians use to make these claims are very different from characters used in previous dynasties, and
  
• that christians who make these claims can only do so by misidentifying phonetic elements and semantic roots.

I've also pointed out the fact that the lies certain christians tell about written Chinese are roughly similar to the lies some Mormons like tell about the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

It's not my fault if you don't know enough about Chinese to understand what I'm saying.

I would imagine that anyone looking for God would want to note the intriguing possibilities, and not bury them without any astounding evidence to the contrary to provide...

I agree, but if that's true then why do you and certain other christians find it necessary to lie when attempting to evangelize non-believers?

I might add that there are now 40 million Chinese Protestants in China where there was once on 1/2 million in 1949.

Compare this to the roughly equal number of Chinese who died as a result of christian cultural imperialism. Hint--go study the Tai(4)Ping(2)Tyan(1)Gwo(2) rebellion if you want to learn how christianity has contributed to the deaths of tens of millions of Chinese. And when you're done with that, study the Opium Wars and the Boxer Rebellion to learn how christian cultural imperialism has caused further harm to China. And when you're done with that, you can study how christian cultural imperialism has help to instigate military conflict between China and Japan.

There are possibly more practicing Christians in China then in all of Europe. And what nation is growing and maturing.

More christians in China than in Europe? That's not saying much, considering the fact that christianity in Europe is in sharp decline. A much better comparison could be made with the number of non-christians in China. In other words, how does Chinese christianity compare with religions native to China? But don't forget that many Chinese have no problem with being members of more than one religion. For example, many of them will readily self-identify as both christian and Buddhist, while also continuing to venerate spirit tablets inscribed with the names of their ancestors.

Here's another little quiz for you, Nipper--what exactly is "hell money" and what purpose does it serve?

But this does not meant that their government is not still reticent and manipulative.

I agree, and I'm impressed that you've somehow managed to get something right.

Nipper, why do you and certain christians resort to deception when attempting to evangelize non-believers?

[_Natsunekko]

Nipper, why do you and certain christians resort to deception when attempting to evangelize non-believers?

I would also like to know why.

[_ludwigm]

The Erotic Apologist:
For a few minute I had a thought to make a parallel...


... then ...

I've also pointed out the fact that the lies certain christians tell about written Chinese are roughly similar to the lies some Mormons like tell about the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

[Guest]

Nipper, why do you and certain christians resort to deception when attempting to evangelize non-believers?

I would also like to know why.

Well, a lie is a lie. Now, what I find interesting is that some on this site have opinions. Opinions are not necessary lies. Example: My opinion is that the world was created by God. The atheist would say that there are no gods. The atheist may in fact believe that God does not exist. However, if the atheist supposes that he might be wrong because of this or that ---- but continues to say that there is not a God, then that person is not only lying to himself but is taking others along for the ride. But let's say an atheist actually believes that there can be no God. And the "Believer" believes there is a God. Both cannot be right; however, neither one is intentionally telling a falsehood. IT IS A MATTER OF OPINION. Now, I find that some do go out of their way to denigrate others that disagree with them. It seems to be a way that an individual shields himself from feelings of inferiority. He thinks that by repeating himself and acting the aggressor that others will view him as clever. But the fact is such an individual becomes rather boring after a while. And when that happens, no one will take anything he says seriously, if he ever really said anything at all.

Anyway, I do not see that Christians or Mormons or Atheists are liars. I find that they have opinions. Some of these opinions have supporting evidence and some do not. Example: Life on earth just happened or it always existed ---- is clearly a belief, as no one has ever seen life just happen. Life always finds its origins from another living thing --- life begets life. So, clearly a person must believe that life came from somewhere else or it was created in place --- or believe that at one time it was possible for life to just happen. For a person to insist that anyone who disagrees with him or who has an opposing point of view is deceitful or a liar is rather absurd. Because everyone eventually holds to some belief or other that others disagree with.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Why what?

Natsunekko is asking why you and certain other christians find it necessary to use deception when attempting to evangelize non-believers.

[_Natsunekko]

Well, a lie is a lie. Now, what I find interesting is that some on this site have opinions. Opinions are not necessary lies. Example: My opinion is that the world was created by God. The atheist would say that there are no gods. The atheist may in fact believe that God does not exist. However, if the atheist supposes that he might be wrong because of this or that ---- but continues to say that there is not a God, then that person is not only lying to himself but is taking others along for the ride. But let's say an atheist actually believes that there can be no God. And the "Believer" believes there is a God. Both cannot be right; however, neither one is intentionally telling a falsehood. IT IS A MATTER OF OPINION. Now, I find that some do go out of their way to denigrate others that disagree with them. It seems to be a way that an individual shields himself from feelings of inferiority. He thinks that by repeating himself and acting the aggressor that others will view him as clever. But the fact is such an individual becomes rather boring after a while. And when that happens, no one will take anything he says seriously, if he ever really said anything at all.

Anyway, I do not see that Christians or Mormons or Atheists are liars. I find that they have opinions. Some of these opinions have supporting evidence and some do not. Example: Life on earth just happened or it always existed ---- is clearly a belief, as no one has ever seen life just happen. Life always finds its origins from another living thing --- life begets life. So, clearly a person must believe that life came from somewhere else or it was created in place --- or believe that at one time it was possible for life to just happen. For a person to insist that anyone who disagrees with him or who has an opposing point of view is deceitful or a liar is rather absurd. Because everyone eventually holds to some belief or other that others disagree with.

So you've abandoned your strong beliefs about the truthfulness of the Bible and are now claiming you only have an "opinion" that it's true? That doesn't sound entirely honest, considering things you've said in the past.

ETA--

My father is Jewish, and I really don't like it when you and your friends say he deserved to die in a concentration camp, even if it is just your opinion.

[_subgenius]

Why what?

Natsunekko is asking why you and certain other christians find it necessary to use deception when attempting to evangelize non-believers.

do you have some sort of "issue" or justifiable conclusion that explains your obsession with 'deception' ?
Between the lines it seems that you are making some sort of moral judgment on the value of and application for 'deception'. I would be interested in your measure...but won't hold my breath.

That being said, can you explain why there is a difference, to you, between Christians using deception and honesty when evangelizing non-believers?
If your position is some sort of "the end does not justify means" diatribe then by what reference are you applying these standards ?
Otherwise you are just being antagonistic...instead of the more preferred protagonist-ic.