Serious enquiry for maklelan.

[_Fence Sitter]

Hey Mak,

While we have your attention maybe you will bear with us a bit longer.

I am curious if you have read David's Bokovoy's book "Authoring the Old Testament" on the documentary hypothesis and the Pentateuch?

If so what did you think and where do you stand on the documentary hypothesis?

Thanks

By the way Mak if you have already answered this question in LN incredibly long Bible thread forgive me for not having read every page. My eyes have a tendency to blur up a little when I see his posts.

[_maklelan]

Hey Mak,

While we have your attention maybe you will bear with us a bit longer.

I am curious if you have read David's Bokovoy's book "Authoring the Old Testament" on the documentary hypothesis and the Pentateuch?

I'm actually about to finish it for a review.

If so what did you think and where do you stand on the documentary hypothesis?

That the Pentateuch is a conflation of several different literary layers is beyond doubt. I don't subscribe to the Documentary Hypothesis specifically, though. That's just one of the hypothesis that arranges and categorizes the various sources. I think probably the best and most methodological analysis to date is here.

Thanks

By the way Mak if you have already answered this question in LN incredibly long Bible thread forgive me for not having read every page. My eyes have a tendency to blur up a little when I see his posts.

[_Fence Sitter]

Looking forward to your review of David's book and thanks for the book tip.

Another book to add to my reading list.

[_Servant]

Oh, really, mak. Anybody can go to CARM and see how you personally criticize those who disagree with you.

Anyone who goes to CARM will not only need a bath, but will also see just how manipulative, dishonest, dogmatic, belligerent, and bigoted the denizens there are toward people with whom they don't theologically agree.

Too bad it's a "distance" degree, however, and not a traditional route.

The only difference is that I'm not in residence. All the other requirements are exactly the same. It's not a correspondence degree, it's a full doctoral program for someone not in residence on campus.

So, when you ultimately achieve this PhD, will you continue working for the Church, or set your sights higher? Of course, being in Utah I suppose employment with the Church is always the better option for a Mormon.

No, it's not always the better option.

So, do you take frequent baths, maklelan, since you pop in to CARM every time your suspensions are up? I think you'll need to modify your communications skills if you leave Mormonism and compete in the real world. Why go to CARM if you think so lowly of it - is it because of some need to present yourself as somehow superior to others?

I think you'll miss out on a lot not being in "residence." Getting along with others, for instance, of different backgrounds is an important skill to learn in an academic setting. Learning basic respect for others whose views differ from you is paramount to success in any field. An intellectual chip on one's shoulder is a big hindrance! These things may not be needed in your own small Mormon universe where you may be seen as being this brilliant young man ready to take on any who dare to have opposing views - but there are many others out there, maklelan, who are just as educated, just as bright and moreso, and who are even very well bred - and in the long run, presentation of ideas is sometimes the most important skill needed to achieve success in your chosen field!

[_maklelan]

So, do you take frequent baths, maklelan, since you pop in to CARM every time your suspensions are up? I think you'll need to modify your communications skills if you leave Mormonism and compete in the real world. Why go to CARM if you think so lowly of it - is it because of some need to present yourself as somehow superior to others?

No, it's just entertainment for me. I like correcting bad exegesis and dogmatism. It's a vice.

I think you'll miss out on a lot not being in "residence." Getting along with others, for instance, of different backgrounds is an important skill to learn in an academic setting.

And I do that just fine. I'm usually dealing with decent human beings, though.

Learning basic respect for others whose views differ from you is paramount to success in any field. An intellectual chip on one's shoulder is a big hindrance! These things may not be needed in your own small Mormon universe where you may be seen as being this brilliant young man ready to take on any who dare to have opposing views - but there are many others out there, maklelan, who are just as educated, just as bright and moreso, and who are even very well bred - and in the long run, presentation of ideas is sometimes the most important skill needed to achieve success in your chosen field!

I deal with those people every day, Catherine. You keep forgetting I have participated in professional scholarship on an international level for years. I deal less with LDS-specific scholarship than with broader non-devotional scholarship. Your awareness of the breadth and scope of the academic world and my navigation of it is about as myopic and limited as a fish's awareness of the NASDAQ.

[_Servant]

So, do you take frequent baths, maklelan, since you pop in to CARM every time your suspensions are up? I think you'll need to modify your communications skills if you leave Mormonism and compete in the real world. Why go to CARM if you think so lowly of it - is it because of some need to present yourself as somehow superior to others?

No, it's just entertainment for me. I like correcting bad exegesis and dogmatism. It's a vice.

I think you'll miss out on a lot not being in "residence." Getting along with others, for instance, of different backgrounds is an important skill to learn in an academic setting.

And I do that just fine. I'm usually dealing with decent human beings, though.

Learning basic respect for others whose views differ from you is paramount to success in any field. An intellectual chip on one's shoulder is a big hindrance! These things may not be needed in your own small Mormon universe where you may be seen as being this brilliant young man ready to take on any who dare to have opposing views - but there are many others out there, maklelan, who are just as educated, just as bright and moreso, and who are even very well bred - and in the long run, presentation of ideas is sometimes the most important skill needed to achieve success in your chosen field!

I deal with those people every day, Catherine. You keep forgetting I have participated in professional scholarship on an international level for years. I deal less with LDS-specific scholarship than with broader non-devotional scholarship. Your awareness of the breadth and scope of the academic world and my navigation of it is about as myopic and limited as a fish's awareness of the NASDAQ.

I see, so you think it is "entertainment" to make the crass remarks that get you suspended on CARM? That's sad.

[_Bazooka]

It's not a trap from me, I'm genuinely in awe of your ability to study and retain information which you can then process into further studies and dissertations etc.

You are the absolute epitome of a genuine scholar.

[_Ceeboo]

Hi Servant,

I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for entering this thread and sprinkling your seasonings to the meal that was already plated and served - thus completely changing the flavor for all who are/were sitting at the table eating!

It's quite encouraging to witness what happens when Christian 'light' enters the kitchen.

In the case of this particular thread, you took a delicious and valuable 16 oz. T-Bone - ran it through the grinder twice - added way too much bread crumbs - formed sloppy patties - overcooked the meat - and didn't even offer any of us ketchup to put on the dried out and over-cooked burgers!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Servant]

It's not a trap from me, I'm genuinely in awe of your ability to study and retain information which you can then process into further studies and dissertations etc.

You are the absolute epitome of a genuine scholar.

Do you seriously think "genuine" scholars accompany their insight with personal attacks? Put downs? Calling others names ( "psychopath" for instance)? And often to the extent where they have to be repeatedly suspended from engaging others? And then excusing this behavior by calling it "entertainment?" Is this the Mormon way?

[_Bazooka]

It's not a trap from me, I'm genuinely in awe of your ability to study and retain information which you can then process into further studies and dissertations etc.

You are the absolute epitome of a genuine scholar.

Do you seriously think "genuine" scholars accompany their insight with personal attacks? Put downs? Calling others names ( "psychopath" for instance)? And often to the extent where they have to be repeatedly suspended from engaging others? And then excusing this behavior by calling it "entertainment?" Is this the Mormon way?

You're asking me to comment on another posters put downs; name callings; personal attacks etc....do you not know me?

If maklelan calls it as he see's it and gives as good as he gets, well, that's okay with me.