Not until you tell us whether you believe Frodo Baggins ever existed.maklelan wrote:My gut tells me you have no intention of engaging anything at all, no matter where it's published. Prove me wrong.
Sorry, I just got caught up in the moment.
Why maklelan can't win a debate with me
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Sorry, I just got caught up in the moment.
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Servant wrote:"I think it is clear to us all that that is not how servant works. You have the patience of Job, mak."
Ask him if he believes "JOB" ever existed!
HA! You caught me. I was able to use that analogy even though *I* don't believe Job ever existed.
Just because someone makes reference to a popular character is mythology does not mean they believe said character existed.
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Bret Ripley wrote:Not until you tell us whether you believe Frodo Baggins ever existed.
Sorry, I just got caught up in the moment.
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Frodo Baggins never existed?
"...a pious lie, you know, has a great deal more influence with an ignorant people than a profane one."
- Sidney Rigdon, as quoted in the Quincy Whig, June 8, 1839, vol 2 #6.
- Sidney Rigdon, as quoted in the Quincy Whig, June 8, 1839, vol 2 #6.
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Roger wrote:Frodo Baggins never existed?
Bilbo existed. Frodo was a later heresy.
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― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
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Brad Hudson wrote:Bilbo existed. Frodo was a later heresy.
Infidel.
"...a pious lie, you know, has a great deal more influence with an ignorant people than a profane one."
- Sidney Rigdon, as quoted in the Quincy Whig, June 8, 1839, vol 2 #6.
- Sidney Rigdon, as quoted in the Quincy Whig, June 8, 1839, vol 2 #6.
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During the Fourth Age, there were scholars in Minas Tirith who posited that Frodo was a literary invention of Samwise Gamgee and was loosely based on an idealized version of The Gaffer.Roger wrote:Brad Hudson wrote:Bilbo existed. Frodo was a later heresy.
Infidel.
They also taught that Tom Bombadil was Melchizedek (oldest, without lineage, etc.) I used to have a copy of one of their papers that is is pretty convincing.
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maklelan wrote:Servant wrote:Ask him if he believes "JOB" ever existed!
Completely irrelevant, but as we've seen, you're not here to address any claims, you're just here to sling sectarian rhetoric.
Though admittedly irrelevant, as you said, I think it is probable that even the original author of Job, whoever that was, did not intend that book to be taken as literal history. I think it more likely that it was intended as a sort of parable to illustrate theological points held by the author. I can't imagine God and Satan actually messing with a man's life that way merely to settle some kind of wager.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
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Gunnar wrote:Though admittedly irrelevant, as you said, I think it is probable that even the original author of Job, whoever that was, did not intend that book to be taken as literal history. I think it more likely that it was intended as a sort of parable to illustrate theological points held by the author.
Unfortunately, the languages used during writing the Bible - and the Book of Mormon, too - didn't use smilies.
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Bret Ripley wrote:During the Fourth Age, there were scholars in Minas Tirith...
Sheesh. I'm in over my head.
"...a pious lie, you know, has a great deal more influence with an ignorant people than a profane one."
- Sidney Rigdon, as quoted in the Quincy Whig, June 8, 1839, vol 2 #6.
- Sidney Rigdon, as quoted in the Quincy Whig, June 8, 1839, vol 2 #6.