Textual Criticism - The Bible and the Book of Mormon

[_maklelan]

Really? A Bronco fan? Horrors! So much for that friendship! Go 49ers!

[_Servant]

Boy, Mak, you're really hit a nerve!!! LMAO

Yeah, even when Ehrman agrees with conservatives it gives them fits.

I really have no respect for the man - he has abandoned the faith once delivered to the saints and now denies Christ's Deity.

For those who are interested in Ehrman's views, there is another side:

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2 ... -response/

[_maklelan]

I really have no respect for the man

Yeah, that's clear enough, Catherine.

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2014/03/how-jesus-became-god-or-how-god-became-jesus-a-review-of-bart-ehrmans-new-book-and-a-concurrent-response/[/b]

Yeah, and see part 1 of my review of that response book here. This review just addresses Michael Bird's own contributions. I will be posting the review of the remaining contributors shortly.

[_Servant]

I really have no respect for the man

Yeah, that's clear enough, Catherine.

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2014/03/how-jesus-became-god-or-how-god-became-jesus-a-review-of-bart-ehrmans-new-book-and-a-concurrent-response/[/b]

Yeah, and see part 1 of my review of that response book here. This review just addresses Michael Bird's own contributions. I will be posting the review of the remaining contributors shortly.

I really think that you've sold out to Arianism for obvious reasons. A heretic after one or two admonitions reject.

[_maklelan]

I really think that you've sold out to Arianism for obvious reasons.

No, Arianism is a later development, too. I'm not here to promote a specific theological outlook, though, I'm here to show what is in the Bible and what is not.

A heretic after one or two admonitions reject.

You've been barking incessantly at my for seven years, Catherine.

[_Servant]

I really think that you've sold out to Arianism for obvious reasons.

No, Arianism is a later development, too. I'm not here to promote a specific theological outlook, though, I'm here to show what is in the Bible and what is not.

A heretic after one or two admonitions reject.

You've been barking incessantly at my for seven years, Catherine.

"barking incessantly?" But your rants are what, mak? Dignified responses? Come on, we all know your ploys. You are just an Arian, and that's already been addressed by responsible scholars. I don't claim to be a scholar, so you can address them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEJN2Or99wM

And here Dr. White debates Muslims who also deny Christ's deity as do Mormons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DVa38KDfa0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i716fnsoXI

Since I don't think I've been on CARM for seven years, were you on other apologetic sites? Maybe I have been, I don't count years. One heresy blends into another. In the end, they all demote Jesus to a creature. But stop the whining, if you are going to attack Christianity, what do you expect? Maybe your "followers" think you are the greatest thing since soap, mak, but you won't be getting all those accolades from Christians.

[_maklelan]

[b]"barking incessantly?"

Yes, it's a great characterization of your repetitive and unthinking dogmatic bellyaching.

But your rants are what, mak? Dignified responses?

I don't go on rants, but I do correct your dogmatism.

Come on, we all know your ploys.

Yes, provide sober and informed scholarship and correct your methodological and evidentiary shortcomings and manipulations.

You are just an Arian, and that's already been addressed by responsible scholars.

No, I don't hold to Arianism at all. Just because Arius rejected Christ's ontological equality with God doesn't mean all people who reject Christ's ontological equality with God are Arians, particularly when they reject the entire rest of his christology.

I don't claim to be a scholar,

No, you claim to know better than scholars. Unless those scholars agree with you, of course.

so you can address them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEJN2Or99wM

Them? That's James White, and he's not a scholar either. Also, I've already addressed him directly at great length. He didn't respond to my arguments.

Since I don't think I've been on CARM for seven years, were you on other apologetic sites?

You've been on it since 2008, at least. They've archived all the old stuff and have made it hard to search, so I can't verify, but it's been at least six years.

Maybe I have been, I don't count years. One heresy blends into another. In the end, they all demote Jesus to a creature. But stop the whining, if you are going to attack Christianity, what do you expect?

I've always hoped for responses more along the lines of those of Roger. Usually what I get is the same mindless bigotry of which you're such an enthusiastic proliferator.

Maybe your "followers" think you are the greatest thing since soap, mak, but you won't be getting all those accolades from Christians.

Not fundie Christians, at least. But they tend to not pay attention to anything but their own navels anyway.

[_Servant]

[b]"barking incessantly?"

Yes, it's a great characterization of your repetitive and unthinking dogmatic bellyaching.

But your rants are what, mak? Dignified responses?

I don't go on rants, but I do correct your dogmatism.

Come on, we all know your ploys.

Yes, provide sober and informed scholarship and correct your methodological and evidentiary shortcomings and manipulations.

You are just an Arian, and that's already been addressed by responsible scholars.

No, I don't hold to Arianism at all. Just because Arius rejected Christ's ontological equality with God doesn't mean all people who reject Christ's ontological equality with God are Arians, particularly when they reject the entire rest of his christology.

I don't claim to be a scholar,

No, you claim to know better than scholars. Unless those scholars agree with you, of course.

so you can address them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEJN2Or99wM

Them? That's James White, and he's not a scholar either. Also, I've already addressed him directly at great length. He didn't respond to my arguments.

Since I don't think I've been on CARM for seven years, were you on other apologetic sites?

You've been on it since 2008, at least. They've archived all the old stuff and have made it hard to search, so I can't verify, but it's been at least six years.

Maybe I have been, I don't count years. One heresy blends into another. In the end, they all demote Jesus to a creature. But stop the whining, if you are going to attack Christianity, what do you expect?

I've always hoped for responses more along the lines of those of Roger. Usually what I get is the same mindless bigotry of which you're such an enthusiastic proliferator.

Maybe your "followers" think you are the greatest thing since soap, mak, but you won't be getting all those accolades from Christians.

Not fundie Christians, at least. But they tend to not pay attention to anything but their own navels anyway.

You are an Arian, as are most Mormons, and if you don't grasp that fact, you don't understand theology at all. Good that you are attempting to study it. Maybe you'll grow out of Mormonism, which has a really infantile theology.

[_maklelan]

You are an Arian, as are most Mormons, and if you don't grasp that fact, you don't understand theology at all.

Obviously you don't know what Arius taught.

Good that you are attempting to study it. Maybe you'll grow out of Mormonism, which has a really infantile theology.

What is infantile is your silly rhetoric.

[_Servant]

You are an Arian, as are most Mormons, and if you don't grasp that fact, you don't understand theology at all.

Obviously you don't know what Arius taught.

Good that you are attempting to study it. Maybe you'll grow out of Mormonism, which has a really infantile theology.

What is infantile is your silly rhetoric.

I actually taught about Arius mak! I think I know what he taught. And I also know how he was refuted by Athanasius. You'll meet your Athanasius down the road mak!

PS: Mormonism is a recapitulation of Arianism, dressed up as "restorationism." "Arianism was a 4th century heresy named after Arius (c.250-336), a presbyter in Alexandria, Egypt, who taught that the Son of God was not co-eternal and consubstantial with His Father, but rather a created being with a definite origin in time. In Arius's words, "there was [a time] when he (the Son) was not."" (Orthodox Wiki) This pretty much fits in with the Mormon teaching that Jesus, Elohim's first son, was born in time somewhere near Kolob, the first "spirit baby" of polygamous deities. He is, therefore, a creation, and not Creator.