Why didn't the Apostle see this coming?

[_Philo Sofee]

"Now Elder Rain Price of American Fork, Utah, will spend the final year of his mission elsewhere.

"We've been concerned but not overly frantic about it," his father, Dale, told KSL. "We've always had complete confidence in the leaders on the ground there, and we knew they were monitoring it much closer than we could. It doesn't come as a huge surprise, and it does verify the church is on top of it."

Dale Price, who became internationally famous for wearing a crazy costume while waving goodbye as his son got on the school bus each morning, also said his son and his companion and other missionaries were closely following the precautions outlined by the mission president, President Roger Kirkham.

Price said he thinks his son will be sad to leave Liberia.

"He'd been there 10 months, so he was just getting really comfortable with it and loved the people, loved being there, so it's going to be an interesting change and a new adventure to find out where he's going to go," he said."


Well, thanks to Ebola, perhaps Elder Price will finally make it to his favorite place...ORLANDO!!

Why doesn't Price just use the Priesthood and heal all the Ebola? What a statement for God *that* would make eh? I mean you know, that silly little "gifts of the spirit" thingy that's supposed to be so impressively displayed in the one and only true church theme..... perhaps it's overdone. or under-performed. (I see, since I didn't read the thread first, that someone else asked this as well. Great minds think alike - )

[_Philo Sofee]

http://m.deseretnews.com/article/865607954/Ebola-outbreak-prompts-evacuation-of-LDS-missionaries-from-two-African-nations.html?ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2F

Each mission call is issued by an Apostle.

I didn't know the apostles claimed to have unmitigated and unilateral access to the future.

It's a myth they love to allow to be kept in place.......... I literally grew up with it all my life..... it has to do with convincing folks that prophecy is still alive and well, and that lovely little tissue of folk lore that Jesus comes to the celestial room in the Salt Lake Temple every morning to have coffee and donuts with the brethren and update them on things........

[_mentalgymnast]

I'm asking why, under God's inspiration, young men and women were sent by an Apostle to a country that God knew was going to become an area of severe health danger?

So what I hear you saying is that as missionaries are being sent out into the field they should not be sent into countries that will have unforeseen health catastrophes and/or natural disasters during the time that the missionaries are there, right? So as Elder Eyring and others meet weekly in a spirit of prayer/fasting and as the missions are displayed and the available missionary applicants are displayed there should be something either in the computer software or the G.A. software (inspiration, mental faculties and understanding, etc.) that should automatically flag countries that the missionaries should not be sent into, right?

So let's take Sierra Leone and Liberia for example. We have 274 missionaries that are being taken out of those countries. You're saying then, that these two countries should have been flagged in that "decision room" with Elder Eyring and others at what point in time? Back on the day that the first missionary of the 274 that were pulled out was called... 23, 24 months ago? Halfway through the 274? Maybe just the last twenty or so? When should that inspiration have come?

The question I would also ask along the way is what about all the other Christian missionaries serving in West Africa? Shouldn't those folks have the same advantage as the Mormon missionaries? Either through direct inspiration to the missionaries themselves or to those that run the Christian missions in that area of the world? Why would God favor the LDS missionaries over others when it comes to saving their lives?

What I'm leading up to, as you can probably guess, is just when and where are you going to draw the line for God's intervention in regards to LDS missionaries...or anyone else?

Let's continue on. There is a tsunami coming in ________________________ thirteen months from now. Just when should the missionaries be pulled from THAT country...or well, this other country...or well, this one over in an area of the world that is going to have a sudden revolution/revolt.

I tell ya, that missionary situation room back at church headquarters is going to be under continual bombardment of flagged countries and potentially flagged countries. That place is going to be rockin'. Good luck with that! But hey, if that WERE to happen and we could see all these LDS missionaries not being sent to countries that then had human/natural disasters down the road... that would be some pretty strong evidence of God's favor to the LDS missionaries.

But gosh dang, those poor sap Baptists and other Christian missionaries that didn't get the word...

Regards,
MG

[_Polygamy-Porter]

http://m.deseretnews.com/article/865607954/Ebola-outbreak-prompts-evacuation-of-LDS-missionaries-from-two-African-nations.html?ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2F

Each mission call is issued by an Apostle.

I didn't know the apostles claimed to have unmitigated and unilateral access to the future.

Zooka! don't tease poor Mak. His life is full on LDS Inc. Married to a Mormon and making a living from LDS Inc. Until he finds a suitable career change, he is stuck.

File this thread into the same reason why Hinckley did not warn the world about the massive tidal wave that drowned over 100,000 innocent children while they played on the beach in Indonesia.



Gordon, the then MOUTH PIECE of the LORD, was on Larry King LIVE literally hours before the ominous wave of death hit.

Did he use his prophetic powers to warn the innocent children from the impending wave of death??? NOOOO

When Larry asked Gordon to give an example of receiving revelation from the Lord, he instead talked about the reason LDS Inc blew 300 Million on the Meganacle.

KING: You are the prophet, right?

HINCKLEY: Right.

KING: Does that mean that, according to the church canon, the Lord speaks through you?

HINCKLEY: I think he makes his will manifest, yes.

KING: So if you change things, that's done by an edict given to you.

HINCKLEY: Yes, sir. KING: How do you receive it?

HINCKLEY: Well, various ways. It isn't necessarily a voice heard. Impressions come. The building of this very building I think is an evidence of that.

There came an impression, a feeling, that we need to enlarge our facilities where we could hold our conferences. And it was a very bold measure. We had to tear down a big building here and put this building up at great cost.

But goodness sakes, what a wonderful thing it's proven to be. It is an answer to many, many needs. And I think it's the result of inspiration.

KING: And that came from something higher than you.

HINCKLEY: I think so.

These men, the so called apostles and prophets, that million of Mormons believe speak directly with God and Jesus, are really nothing but male members of the board at LDS Inc. NONE have any special communication with God, Santa Claus, or the Easter bunny. NONE.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Why doesn't Price just use the Priesthood and heal all the Ebola? What a statement for God *that* would make eh? I mean you know, that silly little "gifts of the spirit" thingy that's supposed to be so impressively displayed in the one and only true church theme..... perhaps it's overdone. or under-performed. (I see, since I didn't read the thread first, that someone else asked this as well. Great minds think alike - )

OMG!!

Too funny.

The missionaries should have opened up healing stands like lemonade stand in American neighborhoods on a hot summer day.

OR went into the hospitals like concession workers at a baseball game, "Getcha' Ebola healing blessing here!"

[_Craig Paxton]

Imagine that...2 Mormons killed by Ebola... Is Ebola stronger than Gods priesthood blessings? Guess so...

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Imagine that...2 Mormons killed by Ebola... Is Ebola stronger than Gods priesthood blessings? Guess so...

Silly Paxy, Elder Ebola came and told those two Mormons to punch their cards as their work was done on earth and to get their righteous asses back up stairs and report to Peter.

[_mentalgymnast]

Imagine that...2 Mormons killed by Ebola... Is Ebola stronger than Gods priesthood blessings? Guess so...

C'mon.

You know Craig...I don't know who you are in real life...along with just about everyone else on this board, but when I hear supposedly smart and educated people like you mindlessly drone on with drivel like this I'm questioning what leaving the church does to your ability to think outside of the box you've constructed for yourself. You and others like you, in my opinion, are prideful and arrogant in your pseudo self righteousness and judgmental, ironclad, and dogmatic views towards that which you left behind. It is no wonder that this place becomes an echo chamber/repeat-a-thon of the same old stuff similar to your one liner above. I'm now understanding to a greater degree the hesitation that those that choose to stay in the church and believe somewhere along the spectrum of faith/hope find that they have as they discuss topics that really have non-negotiable views here. I suppose that is to be expected however from those that have made the jump. There really is nothing else you CAN do besides take an all or nothing approach to Mormonism.

I think Pres. Hinckley was right when he as a matter of fact stated that this church is either true or it is the greatest fraud ever perpetuated on mankind...or something to that effect. You, and others like you, have no option but to be close minded and rigid in your worldview from that very point in time you jumped from one side of the tracks to the other. As it is, those of us that choose to remain active, questioning, and looking for further light and knowledge are free to wander all over the place. Able to engage in freethinking meanderings as we travel along the road of discovery. You and others like you are restricted to where you can travel. Although you may not be able to either see it or admit to it.

Anyway, off my soapbox. Nothing against you personally. Or any others here. I don't even know you. But I keep reading/seeing the same sorts of things said over and over and over again which leads me to believe that somehow the brain's potential for creativity and thinking outside the box becomes stunted once one has made the decision to explain God away and the various ways and means by which a spaghetti monster...I mean the teacup (another recent thread)...oops, creator/God may work with and bring His children along to something higher and better than what they can do on their own.

There is just way too much "throw the baby out with the bathwater" mentality around here to my liking. It is getting old. It may be time for the few of us that have hung around to hang up the towel rather than look for middle ground on anything having to do with Mormonism. There really is no middle ground. I found that out also on another thread. Correction, I think that I and many conditional/hopeful believers are able to find middle ground...but it cannot be approached from the other direction. It's all or nothing for you guys. Very fundamentalist views, in my opinion.

I know, you'll say again, ad nauseum, that you've been there, done that. And you figured it all out. That seems to be the common view around here.

Regards,
MG

[_Bazooka]

Mormon God had His bluff called by Ebola and guess what.....Mormon God folded.

Unfortunately the Church has painted itself into a corner.

On the one hand, the Church claims to be the only true Church of Jesus Christ and that they alone wield His power and authority through the Holy priesthood. This Holy Priesthood power and authority of God is held up as a vehicle for healing the sick.

For this audience—adults who hold the Melchizedek Priesthood and young men who will soon receive this power—I will concentrate my remarks on healing blessings involving the power of the priesthood. We have this priesthood power, and we should all be prepared to use it properly. Current increases in natural disasters and financial challenges show that we will need this power even more in the future than in the past.

Many scriptures teach that the servants of the Lord “shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover” (Mark 16:18). 6 Miracles happen when the authority of the priesthood is used to bless the sick. I have experienced these miracles. As a boy and as a man I have seen healings as miraculous as any recorded in the scriptures, and so have many of you.

https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/ ... +blessings

Mission Calls are held up as being driven by divine inspiration in that God decides where a missionary will serve and God uses a computer programme overseen by an Apostle to make the specific assignments.

CALL, CALLED OF GOD, CALLING
See also Authority; Choose, Chose, Chosen (verb); Chosen (adjective or noun); Ordain, Ordination; Steward, Stewardship
To be called of God is to receive an appointment or invitation from him or his duly authorized Church leaders to serve him in a particular way.

https://www.LDS.org/scriptures/gs/call- ... g?lang=eng

General Conference, October 1991

At present, less than half our faithful young men from the United States and Canada serve missions; in the rest of the world one or two of ten are called. Once we, as leaders and parents, embrace the eternal miracle of the call, in all its force and magnificence, untold thousands more will serve full-time missions.

Our Heavenly Father might not call us by name, but his called and ordained servants will call us to serve for a period—by name, and in his name and by his inspiration and revelation. May we all have a deeper insight into the divine nature and meaning of the call, this great eternal miracle, is my prayer, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/ ... sion+calls

All that's great until push comes to shove and the Priesthood has to practice what it preaches and then the cards get chucked in double quick.

1. If God inspires the assignments why has the Church overruled him and withdrawn missionaries that He allocated to Africa?
2. If the power of the Priesthood can heal the sick why, at the first signs of sickness, is that healing power being withdrawn at a time it is most needed?
3. If Missionaries are on the Lord's errand and therefore entitled to the Lord's protection (Thomas S. Monson Prophet) why doesn't the Church trust the Lord enough to believe he will protect those missionaries serving in Africa?

It's a losing hand whichever way you look at it and the Church even got to choose its own cards.

[_BartBurk]

http://m.deseretnews.com/article/865607954/Ebola-outbreak-prompts-evacuation-of-LDS-missionaries-from-two-African-nations.html?ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2F

Each mission call is issued by an Apostle.

Because maybe God meant them to be sent there for the time they were there and then have them sent somewhere else? Doesn't seem difficult to figure out this one at all.