Bazooka wrote: I think we agree he has said things contrary to Church doctrine (albeit he flip flops around a bit), right?
He may be more subtle than Kelly, but he is seeking to own and head an organisation (loose) of Mormons who will listen to what he has to say.
yeah. we agree on that. indeed.
i guess i just didn't or don't see heading a group of unorthodoxy within the church too much different than just being a Mormon. bishops, stake presidents and GA's want people to listen to what they have to say too. that expectation is not un-mormon at all, especially for a dude.
bushman said things that were contrary to church correlation too. he wants a following too. maybe king just sees dehlin as a publisher like bushman.
This won't be about King. It's too public.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Mayan Elephant wrote: are your panties untwisted yet? good god. what the hell was that little fit over at nom? i was answering your questions when you got your buddies to lock it again.
Haha. Not true. I don't have that kind of "power". I sent you a PM.
Simply fact is, they are not going to allow that kind of thread, ripping on other board members, at NOM. Sorry.
Well, sort of. Some animals are more equal than others over there. Ripping on John Dehlin is not tolerated. Ripping on Mayan or Rosebud or anyone who appears to be a mormonstories-critical newb is A-OK. Whenever I go to other discussion boards that are heavily moderated (like NOM or MDDB), it makes me appreciate all the more what Shades has done with this board.
Edited to change real name to "mormonstories."
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consiglieri wrote:As to the situation with [mormonstories] and his stake president--
Car, meet tree.
It's more like tree, meet forest. Much ado about nothing.
It's done. And not only is there nothing to hear, there never was.
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"Rocks don't speak for themselves" is an unfortunate phrase to use in defense of a book produced by a rock actually 'speaking' for itself... (I have a Question, 5.15.15)
The one who does not know to capitalize to start sentences wrote: "i do not see dehlin being guilty of similar things. first of all, dehlin is just a publisher"
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John is conducting himself as any well connected, relatively wealthy Mormon would. He does what he wants and complains to his connections within the oligarchically structured church.
He will complain to his connections if they threaten excommunication again, his sp will be told that he is "more equal" than the poles and unconnected peasants and the john Dehlin party bus will continue us to roll.
I wish I was related and well connected. I could do anything and still have a good standing within the church. It must be nice for john to be able to whine to his contacts in the Mormon leadership.
I wonder if john thinks his experience is common. I wonder if john realizes that not everyone has the ear of the top. I wonder if he thinks that it's easy to walk the middle path if the draconian approach is not applied to "the elect".
I wonder how john would conduct himself if he was raised and operated within a middle class setting.
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ZelphtheGreat wrote:The one who does not know to capitalize to start sentences wrote: "i do not see dehlin being guilty of similar things. first of all, dehlin is just a publisher"
chad hardy was a BYU student, if i recall correctly. not just a publisher.
"Rocks don't speak for themselves" is an unfortunate phrase to use in defense of a book produced by a rock actually 'speaking' for itself... (I have a Question, 5.15.15)
Mercury wrote:I wonder how [mormonstories] would conduct himself if he was raised and operated within a middle class setting.
i am pretty sure he was raised and lives a middle class lifestyle.
i agree with your points, though. he operates with impunity within the Mormon community. i think that there are two parts to that. first, he only speaks up when he controls the moderators or the moderating. and the second, he operates more like a chameleon than a privileged silver-back.
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"Rocks don't speak for themselves" is an unfortunate phrase to use in defense of a book produced by a rock actually 'speaking' for itself... (I have a Question, 5.15.15)
Mayan Elephant wrote:It's more like tree, meet forest. Much ado about nothing.
It's done. And not only is there nothing to hear, there never was.
A lot of the "ado" is from you. Go ahead and yap all you want, but it's sort of annoying that you trivialize him while commenting ad nauseum on anything dehlin-related.
Mayan Elephant wrote: using an imaginary threat of an imaginary excommunication as a means of gaining sympathy for oneself would make for an interesting summer.
So you view this potential excommunication as something John Dehlin cooked up as a means of gaining sympathy?
Obviously you and John Dehlin are not into shared realities, but the Church would have readily offered a correction for newspaper articles discussing the excommunication, is such an excommuncation was illusionary.