John Dehlin Stake President update 8/23/14

[_schreech]

Jesus Christ, I'm sorry I offended the tender sensibilities of the JD haters here. Guess how many f$%#s I give about the whole history of this drama...0. .

Also funny, the number of threads on which my give a bleep factor is 0 that I post on is also 0.

I guess that would make more sense if i actually said i don't give a F$%# about this thread....

[_Equality]

Yes, saying the chips will fall as they may is exactly the same thing as saying:

"Unfortunately, I met a wolf along the way and he hurt me very much. I don't him to be able to hurt me further by trying to provoke me into destroying him."


"John knows I have evidence. John knows I am good at written debates. John knows that I am better at message board debates than he is. John knows that I could destroy his life."

"What I'm hoping for from him (although at this point the hope for anything from John seems fairly pointless) is that he will start trying to put his life together rather than continuing down the road of provoking people who have power of him until someone hurts him."

Oh, and here is her 3 step plan to make good on the above threats:

"1) I am creating a brief document.
2) I have no intention of making that document public right now.
3) John will have more information about the document by early October. That information will not come to him through public channels or email."

"And don't try to get me publicly malign you by sharing details with everyone in order to get you to stop claiming a resume item that isn't yours."

Yea, those statements are exactly the same...

You didn't ask for threats that were the same. You asked for where he made threats. You just moved the goal posts. I never said the threats were "exactly the same."

[_Equality]

Jesus Christ, I'm sorry I offended the tender sensibilities of the JD haters here. Guess how many f$%#s I give about the whole history of this drama...0. .

Also funny, the number of threads on which my give a bleep factor is 0 that I post on is also 0.

I guess that would make more sense if i actually said i don't give a F$%# about this thread....

Your point in mentioning that the number of f$%#s you give about the whole history of this drama is 0 is what, then?

[_Sister Mary Lisa]

Look up histrionics in Wikipedia. Any mental-health professional will know the problematic history of it vis a vis gender - it's inextricably linked.

The history of Histrionic Personality Disorder stems from the word hysteria.[28] Hysteria can be described as an exaggerated or uncontrollable emotion that people, especially in groups, experience.[29] Beliefs about hysteria have varied throughout time. Take for example, female hysteria. ...

Renaming hysterical personality to histrionic personality disorder is believed to be because of possible negative connotations to the roots of hysteria, such as intense sexual expressions, demon possessions, etc.[32]

JD wrote about Rosebud:

[real name deleted] is blinded by her own demons.

Nobody has visibly noted yet JD's contention that Rosebud is blinded by demons. He is also the first person on this thread to castigate Rosebud for her "histrionics" which so many subsequent posters jumped all over to ignore her and discount her words. He certainly knows what he is doing when he throws demonic blindness and histrionics at Rosebud.

[_schreech]

You didn't ask for threats that were the same. You asked for where he made threats. You just moved the goal posts. I never said the threats were "exactly the same."

I can't believe I am responding to you again.

I said, "Show me, in this thread, where MS made any threats close to those made by rosebud and i will happily compare him to crazy glenn close in fatal attraction."

chips falling where they may is nowhere close to saying "John knows that I could destroy his life" or "I don't him to be able to hurt me further by trying to provoke me into destroying him". I didn't just ask for examples of where he made any threat...but, hey, you guys seem to be reading all kinds of things into what people are saying here that most of us don't see so, there's that...

I get that you hate JD. How about this - you all (males and females) have unhealthy, glenn close in fatal attraction like obsessions with each other. Better?

[_schreech]

Your point in mentioning that the number of f$%#s you give about the whole history of this drama is 0 is what, then?

Feel free to reread my post on this subject as I pretty clearly point out the issues I have, no backstory or "history" required...hint, it has to do with threatening to destroy someone's life on a public message board.

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[_Rosebud]

Funny how when Rosebud says she has facts/evidence that paint MS/JD in a bad light, she is a Glenn Close crazed woman exhibiting histrionics. But when MS/JD says he is going to use facts/evidence to "let the chips fall" it goes completely unnoticed. Interesting.

From reading Rosebud's posts she isn't doing herself any favors. I'm curious what response you'd expect from Mormonstories to someone posting "evidence" against them? How would you respond in a similar position?

I think use of words which can have medical connotations is more problematic for someone who is going into a mental health profession. In a way though I guess all of us have a tendency to label people.

The strange thing about choosing the hystrionic label is that the personality disorder is characterised by

a pattern of excessive attention-seeking emotions, usually beginning in early adulthood, including inappropriately seductive behavior and an excessive need for approval.

Who knows what the nature of Rosebud's accusation against Mormonstories is, but the choice of word to describe her could possibly be telling, could it not?

Either way, Rosebud isn't coming across very well in this exchange, not because she's a woman, but because writing about "destroying" someone's life comes across as an extreme response. That is especially so given the contradictory nature of some of her posts. It just doesn't sit well with me.

So I don't really agree with Mormonstories posting people's names, but I don't seem to agree with Rosebud from the extreme claims she's been making either. Maybe if she was more forthcoming with her wishy washy claims it would be easier to evaluate whether there is any substance to them. Until then all we have are her posts here, which aren't particularly convincing.

Thanks,

Hasa Diga Eebowai

Another way to look at this is that I could have already destroyed someone's life and that I've demonstrated an incredible amount of compassion and patience. Without the details, you can't know. If you had the details, perhaps the lives would already be destroyed.

It's a double bind situation. I wonder how well you would have performed if you were in my shoes?

[_Rosebud]

Also, it seems like several things I've said could indicate that mormonstories had a pretty dang horrible impact on my life that could possibly be described as "destroying" (although I haven't been that hyperbolic). If that's the case, do you think it's worth arguing for me instead of against me HDE? Why can he do what he will do me, but leave me obligated to protect him?

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