When membership records are received in a ward and when converts are baptized and confirmed, a member of the bishopric introduces and welcomes the members in the next sacrament meeting. He reads each person’s name, invites the person to stand, and asks members of the congregation to show by the uplifted hand that they accept the members in full fellowship in the ward. Records of family members are read together. If a member knows any reason why a person may not be entitled to full fellowship, he or she should talk to the bishop privately. https://www.LDS.org/handbook/handbook-2 ... h/18.2#182
Holy Crap!
perhaps you have never experienced it because someone got to the Bishop beforehand?
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
subgenius wrote:perhaps you have never experienced it because someone got to the Bishop beforehand?
I actually haven't heard it as a member of the ward when new families have moved in. Perhaps the Bishop doesn't want me to know who they are!
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Status update - no release yet, second Sunday since. Bishop cold-shouldered me in Ward Council meeting yesterday. Not sure I am resolved with my own consideration for being released, or not released, at this point.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
subgenius wrote:Status update - no release yet, second Sunday since. Bishop cold-shouldered me in Ward Council meeting yesterday. Not sure I am resolved with my own consideration for being released, or not released, at this point.
Sounds like the Bishop has been counselled to keep you on and he's smarting about it. Prepare yourself for months of being ignored.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
subgenius wrote:a colloquialism of sorts...when a new family moves in and starts attending but their records have not yet been received by the Ward...once the records are received, they are recognized from the pulpit by having their individual names announced and they stand in recognition, etc.....sorry if you thought an itemized account of their church account history was being presented...which admittedly would be more interesting.
I have been an attending member of the Church for decades and I have never, ever, witnessed that happen. I wonder if it's a local thing?
subgenius wrote:in every ward i have ever attended or been a member of
For once, I agree with subgenius. This has been pretty much the practice in every ward I have ever attended or been a member of.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Bazooka wrote:Subby, just checking you still have a Sunday job?
Yep. However, my first counselor, whom i understand is being requested as my replacement, informed me that the SP wanted to meet with him and his wife last week. My counselor was unavailable so the SP stated that "another time then". I have not informed my counselor of my requested release nor his potential calling...but i have joked with him about the SP, but he has not been amused. He is a great guy, but has full plate ad a wife that may give the SP as vote of "no support" if she is the first one being met with (the all too familiar sign of who is being called). That being said, there is a real chance that my counselor would refuse the call. i will keep you posted
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Bazooka wrote:Subby, just checking you still have a Sunday job?
Yep. However, my first counselor, whom i understand is being requested as my replacement, informed me that the SP wanted to meet with him and his wife last week. My counselor was unavailable so the SP stated that "another time then". I have not informed my counselor of my requested release nor his potential calling...but i have joked with him about the SP, but he has not been amused. He is a great guy, but has full plate ad a wife that may give the SP as vote of "no support" if she is the first one being met with (the all too familiar sign of who is being called). That being said, there is a real chance that my counselor would refuse the call. i will keep you posted
Refusing a call is a big...no...massive step for a believing Mormon. It's not refusing a call, it's saying no to God!
I was once taught that one should never refuse a call because it comes from God. Fifteen seconds later this individual extended me a call. Ten seconds after that I refused it!
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Bazooka wrote: Refusing a call is a big...no...massive step for a believing Mormon. It's not refusing a call, it's saying no to God!
I was once taught that one should never refuse a call because it comes from God. Fifteen seconds later this individual extended me a call. Ten seconds after that I refused it!
i think this speaks to my inquiry in the OP. There is a possibility that the call would not be of God but rather of man. So, while i realize that refusing a call is almost like raising your hand when "any opposed manifest by like sign" is announced during a sustaining - i also realize that either situation has occurred and will occur. The one thing we all recognize is that Revelation and Inspiration are not exclusive experiences. I have, however, prepared most of my thoughts for my exit interview.
My release may be the workings of a self-fulfilling prophecy more than anything else? If so, then the Bishop may have been craftier than i first imagined.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent