Church rewards blatant homophobia in Chile.

[_Bazooka]

Subgenius, you might want to add that extremism in defense of traditional marriage is no vice.

Because Chilean senators who publicly voice opinions are now extreme to you?

Saying all gay couples are violent is a pretty extreme statement.

[_subgenius]

Because Chilean senators who publicly voice opinions are now extreme to you?

Saying all gay couples are violent is a pretty extreme statement.[/quote]
not really...and she said they were more, which is a comparative term, meaning that she was not speaking in absolutes, but rather the more popular political generalities. It is a common technique when making public statements.
nevertheless, extreme it be not...and completely false it be not....and homophobia ye have yet to prove, unless homophobia is when someone says something about the LGBT that you disagree with (which is likely more akin to the truth on this matter).

I am sorry that you find such discomfort in other people having opinions that are polar opposite to your own and that there are people who completely disagree with the notion that LGBT is a social virtue on the basis of "I'm OK You're OK".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_OK,_You%27re_OK

[_Bazooka]

Saying all gay couples are violent is a pretty extreme statement.

not really...and she said they were more, which is a comparative term, meaning that she was not speaking in absolutes, but rather the more popular political generalities.

"All gay couples are more violent..."
....is an extreme (and demonstrably wrong) homophobic statement.

[_subgenius]

"All gay couples are more violent..."
....is an extreme (and demonstrably wrong) homophobic statement.

its neither extreme, according to the science....or homophobic, since it is based on data and not emotion.
While some may disagree or even try and spin the science, it has been proven time and time again that homosexual relationships are more unstable than heterosexual relationships. That is a fact, regardless of the cause or of any inconclusive study that attempts to contradict that fact.

A study published in The Journal of Family Violence reported among its participants that "Emotional abuse was reported by 83%" of its participants
http://link.springer.com/article/10.102 ... 7505619577
compared to about 52% among heterosexual
http://www.academia.edu/759176/Emotiona ... r_Partners

Gay-friendly sources tend to keep the statistical comparisons to ambiguous levels, relying on "about the same" or "roughly equal" - though they conveniently never cite hard numbers from the gay community.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/06/us/si ... ships.html

In the book, Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence (1991)- "the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population."

But i understand the difficulty for the gay community to effectively understand the statistics, many people recognize that a proper record of all the violence may have been denied by victims, or incorrectly recorded as "mutual combat." The logic behind this is simple: If a community refuses to acknowledge gay relationships, then same-sex violence would be recorded as "mutual combat".

So, you can spin and revise and relocate facts all you want - and i can even concede that the accuracy of the point is arguable - but - that hardly makes the poster's statement "homophobic"...at the very worst it could be considered misinformed or perhaps exaggerated, but the current data supports that statement, even though there is data that supports an opposite statement to a lesser degree.

Which speaks to the point the poster made before...the demonizing of people that do not agree, condone, or even like the LGBT lifestyle is the only argument you really have.

[_Bazooka]

Okay, let's clarify your data...
This is from the year 2000 and is a study of 'emotional abuse'...

A study published in The Journal of Family Violence reported among its participants that "Emotional abuse was reported by 83%" of its participants
http://link.springer.com/article/10.102 ... 7505619577

...whereas this is from ten years later and is a study of how employment and alcohol contributes to controlling behaviours.

compared to about 52% among heterosexual
http://www.academia.edu/759176/Emotiona ... r_Partners

Different era's, different socio groupings, different subject matter, different questions.

Fail.

Depending on what one asks and how one asks the questions, I'll bet a survey of Mormon wives could show statistically that 83% of them have suffered emotional abuse. But feel free to post the actual questions in the two studies that you reference (or are you too cheap to buy the reports to get to the actual data rather than the glib, non-comparative headlines that you've quoted?)


Perhaps the following (from January 2013) will help contextualise the data you are desperately trying to find.

The majority of women who reported experiencing sexual violence, regardless of their sexual orientation, reported that they were victimized by male perpetrators.

Nearly half of female bisexual victims (48.2 percent) and more than one-quarter of female heterosexual victims (28.3 percent) experienced their first rape between the ages of 11 and 17 years.

http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2013/p0125_NISVS.html

[_subgenius]

...(snip)...

Fail.

whereas you are unable to post any legitimate data that proves otherwise...check!

Depending on what one asks and how one asks the questions, I'll bet a survey of Mormon wives could show statistically that 83% of them have suffered emotional abuse. But feel free to post the actual questions in the two studies that you reference (or are you too cheap to buy the reports to get to the actual data rather than the glib, non-comparative headlines that you've quoted?)

Countless links have been posted on other threads which have never been able to be refuted beyond "i just don't agree" - glad you are paying attention.
Nevertheless, i agree that the structure of a survey is important.

Perhaps the following (from January 2013) will help contextualise the data you are desperately trying to find.

The majority of women who reported experiencing sexual violence, regardless of their sexual orientation, reported that they were victimized by male perpetrators.

awesome...so, really men are just the problem...so much for the gay.

but wait!
"Conventional wisdom and scientificarguments have claimed thatsocieties with more men thanwomen, such as China, will becomemore violent, but a University of California, Davis, study has foundthat a male-biased sex ratio doesnot lead to more crime.Rates of rape, sexual assault and homicide are actually lower in societies with more men than women, the study found."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/216640345/Mal ... tudy-Shows

Nearly half of female bisexual victims (48.2 percent) and more than one-quarter of female heterosexual victims (28.3 percent) experienced their first rape between the ages of 11 and 17 years.

http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2013/p0125_NISVS.html

um this stat does not really help your cause...but i appreciate the conclusion that more sexually permissive/promiscuous women are more likely to have been raped between 11 and 17.

(exactly how does an 11 year old realize they are a bisexual woman?).

Not sure you know how deep you are in...

"Girls are the perpetrators of some form of dating violence nearly as often as boys, surprising new studies show.

More girls – 43 percent – than boys – 28 percent – reported committing an act of physical dating violence, said researchers who are presenting their findings beginning Wednesday at the American Psychological Association’s annual meeting. Slightly more boys – 23 percent – than girls – 18 percent – reported perpetrating at least one act of sexual violence."
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ne ... 6C10809607

"Relf and his colleagues surveyed 2,881 gay men in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York and Chicago. [This sample included not only men who identified themselves as gay, but also bisexual men and men who identified themselves as heterosexual but who nevertheless have sex with other men.] ....A new study shows that one in five urban gay men is battered by his partner, showing that homosexual men are just as likely as heterosexual women to be victims of domestic violence.

http://www.ncdsv.org/images/StudyShowUrbanGayMen.pdf

that last part is significant....if just gay men are being abused "as much" as a straight women...then what happens to the statistic of gay versus straight when gay women and straight men are added in?...are you of the mind that straight men are abused at the same or greater rate than lesbians?....or are straight men abused at a lesser rate...thus turning the table on the general statistic that Gay women/men are abused more than straight men/women?

"Gay and bisexual high school students are more likely than their heterosexual peers to use tobacco, alcohol, drugs and violence and to even have suicidal tendencies, a new study by the U.S. government has found.

Anonymous surveys of 156,000 high school students found that gays, lesbians and bisexuals were more likely to engage in unhealthy risk behaviors than heterosexual students, the Atlanta-based Center for Disease Control and Prevention said Monday."
CDC’s analysis is based on data from Youth Risk Behavior Surveys conducted during 2001–2009 in seven states
"The study found that gay or lesbian students had higher prevalence rates for 49 percent to 90 percent of all health risks measured. Similarly, bisexual students had higher prevalence rates for 57 percent to 86 percent."

ironically the top six most prolific male serial killers in America were gay
Donald Harvey, JW Gacy, Patrick Kearney, Bruce Davis, Juan Corona, and the cooperative of Corll-Henley-Brooks.
though not American, but certainly gay was Ludwig Tiene.

So, again...not exactly an "extreme" or homophobic statement made by the poster. There is enough reliable evidence to make that statement even if it is slightly exaggerated when one dissects it, it is certainly not when taken as most people put forth the term "all".
But would it make you feel better if the statement was revised to "most gays" or "gays have a way higher occurrence and likelihood" ?

It really does not change the underlying fact that the LGBT lifestyle is not a socially virtuous or preferred lifestyle. While people may certainly, and should, be free to practice consenting sexual acts in the privacy of their home....or bear lodge....there is certainly no reasonable cause for society to endorse or support any other person's choice to be homosexual.

"Even in the 1940s, psychiatrist David Abrahamsen noted, “It is well known that homosexual inclinations may be accompanied by sadistic or masochistic tendencies…. These perversions play a great part in many sexual offenses and in many cases of murder.” In a national survey of random samples of homosexuals and heterosexuals, 32% of those males who called themselves homosexual or bisexual versus 5% of heterosexual males reported having engaged in sadomasochism; 17% of lesbians versus 4% of heterosexual women also admitted to S/M"
....The 1980 CBS-TV documentary, Gay Power, Gay Politics reported that about 10% of the accidental deaths among young men in San Francisco resulted from sadomasochistic sex gone awry.
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/ ... sexuality/


And from your carefully edited reference about the January 2013 report above....
"For example, domestic violence against a woman was reported by nearly 44 percent of lesbians and about 61 percent by bisexuals compared to 35 percent of heterosexuals. Among men, 26 percent of gays and about 37 percent of bisexuals reported partner violence compared to 29 percent of heterosexuals."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/ ... 1W20130125


Once again the conclusion of "more" seems to have been appropriately applied.

The case for your posts beng heterosexist is made stronger with every keystroke.

[_Bazooka]

And from your carefully edited reference about the January 2013 report above....
"For example, domestic violence against a woman was reported by nearly 44 percent of lesbians and about 61 percent by bisexuals compared to 35 percent of heterosexuals. Among men, 26 percent of gays and about 37 percent of bisexuals reported partner violence compared to 29 percent of heterosexuals."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/ ... 1W20130125

This seems to suggest that, in terms of propensity to commit violence, gay men are less prone to it than heterosexual men.
Is that the point you're making?

[_subgenius]

This seems to suggest that, in terms of propensity to commit violence, gay men are less prone to it than heterosexual men.
Is that the point you're making?

not really...I mean many studies recognize that homosexual violence goes unreported in many cases because one partner can "blackmail" another by outing them to friends/family...and how some jurisdictions categorize same sex violence in different manners. Gay men violence may also be expressed in how studies have shown that they tend to engage in more "violent" or aggressive sexual activity at a higher rate than their heterosexual counterparts...i.e. BDSM

But if taken as a whole it seems that one could also read that stat as saying gay men are reporting abuse less than women. But when you notice my earlier statistic about how "all men" groups are prone to less violence, perhaps the problem is just women?