LDS Apologist Walking Away from Universal Flood

[_SteelHead]

But every time I see a rainbow I remember that God has covenanted not to destroy the little e earth, a 200 mile are around the black sea, with flood again. The rest of the world? No such promise.

[_SteelHead]

At this point Mak I can only surmise that you are purposefully ignoring the first chunk of the approaching doctrine release.

A. The global flood is in the standard works/canon.
B. When there exists a question on then interpretation of scripture the brethren have maintained since the beginning that it is the purview of the 15 apostles to explain/clarify the ambiguity (2 Peter 1:20-21). How? This:With divine inspiration, the First Presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications.
This is one of the express roles of the brethren as expressed in earlier quotes.

You can't ignore that first part. The global flood is in the canon. The interpretation of that cannon has persistently, officially been global flood. You don't get to ignore part of a pronouncement that you yourself referenced.

[_Gunnar]

I think that the highest ranking leaders in the Church hierarchy have figured out that either doubling down on insisting that the literal truth of a universal flood is a non-negotiable tenet of official doctrine or admitting that the story can not and/or ought not be reasonably taken as literal truth will result in many members leaving the Church. For now, at least, they probably figure that by leaving some room for ambiguity on the issue they have better chance of retaining both ardent believers in the universality of Noah's flood and those, who like maklelan and bcspace, are too scientifically, mathematically and/or historically literate to fail to see just how impossible it is.

[_mentalgymnast]

The global flood is in the canon. The interpretation of that cannon has persistently, officially been global flood. You don't get to ignore part of a pronouncement that you yourself referenced.

One element that has been left out of this discussion is that when it comes to the debate concerning flood waters covering the earth there are some pretty bright people working at various angles from both sides of the issue. So I suppose that as we look at range of possibilities we ought to keep our minds open to the prospect that there was something more going on than we understand in its totality.

http://evolutionfairytale.com/forum//in ... topic=2106

The Great Flood is an issue that I look at and wonder about it, question it, then put it back on the shelf as it doesn't seem to be fully resolved either way. Some here are talking as though there is only one position that makes sense to every reasonable mind. Apparently that isn't the case. If you look at just this one forum I've linked to there are all kinds of folks that are looking at evolution and/or Great Flood issues from different vantage points. Interestingly there is a Mormon or two that participated in the discussion I linked to.

Is the jury out? Some say yes, some say no. I wish I had a degree in ALL of the scientific fields necessary to make a truly reasonable and well thought out conclusion in regards to whether Noah's Flood, on a global scale, could have actually happened. I would assume most of the folks discussing this issue on this board are deficient to some degree or another in technical knowledge and are very possibly not up to speed compared to some of these guys throwing technical jargon around and getting away with it on some of these scientific knowledge based discussion boards.

I'm not trying to lessen the seriousness of this issue. I'm simply proposing that there MAY be reason to keep an open mind to the possibilities.

Regards,
MG

[_sock puppet]

It never ends. No human society or community will ever arrive at a point at which their worldview is permanently static and absolute.

Agreed. Humans progress.

But now, a god-organized, -led society or community, with a pipeline to the omniscient one--where's the room for evolving there?

Or, might we say, that the LDS Church is nothing more than a HUMAN society or community?

[_SteelHead]

Mg, the globally immersing flood never happened. That the church teaches that it (global flood) happened is the official doctrine of the church. The apologist will say nay, but they are just teaching the philosophies of men mingled with scripture.

[_bcspace]

The apologist will say nay,

Only apologists with an agenda that diverges from the Church's agenda will say that. As every TBM, including myself, knows that the official doctrine of the LDS CHurch is a global Flood.

[_Tobin]

The apologist will say nay,

Only apologists with an agenda that diverges from the Church's agenda will say that. As every TBM, including myself, knows that the official doctrine of the LDS CHurch is a global Flood.

bcspace believes in evolution and the global flood?!? I think your TBM credentials are a bit rusty there sir.

[_mentalgymnast]

Mg, the globally immersing flood never happened.

You may be right. You may be wrong. The jury may still be out.

What are your credentials to make such an exclusive and non-negotiable statement?

Regards,
MG

[_Tobin]

Mg, the globally immersing flood never happened.

You may be right. You may be wrong. The jury may still be out.

What are your credentials to make such an exclusive and non-negotiable statement?

Regards,
MG

Actually, you are both right and wrong. We do know the Earth has been completely covered by water. However, it hasn't happened in the past 10,000 years. The last time the Earth was completely covered by water was likely 2.5 billion years ago.