The virgin birth of Christ.

[_Bazooka]

opinions that are out of bounds merely for the sake of being out of bounds.....which is not common sense...it is usually just nonsense.

Out of bounds?

Not so.
My comment was on topic and addressed Theowalds ideas not Theowald him/herself, placing it neatly 'in bounds'.

[_SteelHead]

Because the whole idea of the holy ghost with a turkey baster full of God's seed, or in vitro fertilization for Jesus with Mary as a surrogate womb, is just so darn biblical that only believers in an innerant and literal Bible can discuss it?

No, "discussion" would be limited to those with the ability to transcend such sophomoric and cliché comments as "turkey baster full of God's seed".
So, perhaps you are correct in that "belief" is not necessary to participate in the discussion...but maturity certainly is...but barring that, making comments like "turkey baster" serve only to humor yourself and exhibit no real "knowledge" of the topic...and this "knowledge" you claim is a requirement...soooo......be on your way.

Please. Pretty please Sub, demonstrate to us real knowledge on this subject. Or better, do tell how pure conjecture becomes "knowledge".

[_SteelHead]

What? You mean to say that outside of "found with child of the holy ghost" or, " the holy spirit will come upon you, and the power of the most high will overshadow you", no one has knowledge; and this is all extra biblical conjecture?

No way! Say it isn't so. Sub, I just feel like you must have more "knowledge" on the topic. Thorwald seems to believe he does.

[_subgenius]

Please. Pretty please Sub, demonstrate to us real knowledge on this subject. Or better, do tell how pure conjecture becomes "knowledge".

again...you prefer to have a different discussion - one that is out of context....by claiming "conjecture" you have, once again, tried to change the topic (i.e. derail) and want to discuss the general validity of the belief as opposed to the OP topic.

[_SteelHead]

Please sub. Do tell how discussion about God's sperm or Jesus as an implanted fetus is anything but conjecture. I await your elucidations.

[_SteelHead]

See Sub, here is the lay of the land.

If you had actually done any research on Thorwald, his book and his postings outside of this forum, you would see that despite claiming to believe in the Bible, he doesn't, or better, he believes in the word of god as it has been revealed to him, the Bible containing a corrupt version of said word. His position is that the Bible is full of errors and that he, via a dream, has been called a prophet to correct those errors.

http://bookstore.westbowpress.com/Produ ... ndles.aspx

Original Christian Bible manuscripts contain errors. Two visions and a dream (in riddles) led to nine years of research, prayer, discussions/debates, and attendance at various Christian churches, revealing a whole new ‘Word of God’ understanding, and the obnoxious vanity of the current Christian ministry.
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Changing the Word of God results in spiritual death (permanent separation from God), and yet, we find this taking place throughout every religion. False literature, interpretations (understanding), practices, teachings, and so on litter the Earth. Today’s “scribes and Pharisees” are soldiers of Satan. High-headedness rules the day.

The real truth regarding the Word of God and the Trinity/Godhead is now revealed.

So when I asked why does belief or disbelief disqualify participation, and if we have to believe in his "interpretation" it was on purpose.

Now Thorwald is proposing forms for the godhead - The father, the son, the son Jesus, and the holy ghost, and lobbing out theories on the birth of Jesus, but he isn't here to discuss. He is here to preach. Preach to us Thorwald, we are ignorant and need correcting.

As the Bible is limited to a couple of versus on the topic of the conception of Jesus, and there are no other canonized Christian writings on the birth of Jesus, ideas such as the holy ghost using god's sperm, or Jesus the implanted fetus with Mary as a surrogate womb are pure conjecture.

con·jec·ture
kənˈjekCHər/Submit
noun
1.
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

There are no other christian sources on the mode of the conception of a deity. Now Greek mythology is full of gods turning into other animals, or disguising themselves and getting mortals pregnant the old fashioned way. The offspring of which are demi-gods, more than human but not as full powered as the gods, but Christianity has no other analogs. The Bible record on this topic is scant.... should we then turn to other mythos for a basis?

Regardless, Thorwald's ideas are conjecture. There is incomplete information to come to the conclusions that he has proposed. Now I am sure he wants to back up conjecture with his revealed truths, and personal interpretations of the scripture mingled with bad logic and pseudo science..... Have at it!

As we already have one deluded megalomaniac prophet on the board who believes that his is the only true Christianity, it is great to have another. (I propose a deathmatch) Let's continue this riveting discussion from the one true prophet of god on how Jesus was conceived in a petri dish, and implanted into Mary's womb. I am sure there is all kinds of supporting material.

[_Gunnar]

See Sub, here is the lay of the land.

If you had actually done any research on Thorwald, his book and his postings outside of this forum, you would see that despite claiming to believe in the Bible, he doesn't, or better, he believes in the word of god as it has been revealed to him, the Bible containing a corrupt version of said word. His position is that the Bible is full of errors and that he, via a dream, has been called a prophet to correct those errors.

http://bookstore.westbowpress.com/Produ ... ndles.aspx

Original Christian Bible manuscripts contain errors. Two visions and a dream (in riddles) led to nine years of research, prayer, discussions/debates, and attendance at various Christian churches, revealing a whole new ‘Word of God’ understanding, and the obnoxious vanity of the current Christian ministry.
.
.
.
Changing the Word of God results in spiritual death (permanent separation from God), and yet, we find this taking place throughout every religion. False literature, interpretations (understanding), practices, teachings, and so on litter the Earth. Today’s “scribes and Pharisees” are soldiers of Satan. High-headedness rules the day.

The real truth regarding the Word of God and the Trinity/Godhead is now revealed.

So when I asked why does belief or disbelief disqualify participation, and if we have to believe in his "interpretation" it was on purpose.

Now Thorwald is proposing forms for the godhead - The father, the son, the son Jesus, and the holy ghost, and lobbing out theories on the birth of Jesus, but he isn't here to discuss. He is here to preach. Preach to us Thorwald, we are ignorant and need correcting.

As the Bible is limited to a couple of versus on the topic of the conception of Jesus, and there are no other canonized Christian writings on the birth of Jesus, ideas such as the holy ghost using god's sperm, or Jesus the implanted fetus with Mary as a surrogate womb are pure conjecture.

con·jec·ture
kənˈjekCHər/Submit
noun
1.
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

There are no other christian sources on the mode of the conception of a deity. Now Greek mythology is full of gods turning into other animals, or disguising themselves and getting mortals pregnant the old fashioned way. The offspring of which are demi-gods, more than human but not as full powered as the gods, but Christianity has no other analogs. The Bible record on this topic is scant.... should we then turn to other mythos for a basis?

Regardless, Thorwald's ideas are conjecture. There is incomplete information to come to the conclusions that he has proposed. Now I am sure he wants to back up conjecture with his revealed truths, and personal interpretations of the scripture mingled with bad logic and pseudo science..... Have at it!

As we already have one deluded megalomaniac prophet on the board who believes that his is the only true Christianity, it is great to have another. (I propose a deathmatch) Let's continue this riveting discussion from the one true prophet of god on how Jesus was conceived in a petri dish, and implanted into Mary's womb. I am sure there is all kinds of supporting material.

So, we have another "Nightlion" on the board. Good! The more "deluded megalomaniac prophets" like that who show up, the more obvious it becomes just how egregiously unreliable are claims of divine authority and inspiration as guides to truth. It is both sad and amusing how people like subgenius manage to remain oblivious to that increasingly obvious reality, even while inadvertently and repeatedly reinforcing the truth of it.

by the way, I thoroughly agree with, and greatly admire your signature line, especially "Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin"

[_SteelHead]

I put that as my sig line in honor of Bill Hamblin. Whom I once saw argue for the reality: "that clearly the plates of brass were written in hebrew"......

I mean, how is that not obviously grounded in reality?

[Guest]

I put that as my sig line in honor of Bill Hamblin. Whom I once saw argue for the reality: "that clearly the plates of brass were written in hebrew"......

I mean, how is that not obviously grounded in reality?

I see! Though you were apparently mocking Bill Hamblin for his hypocrisy, I still admire the sentiment expressed by the quoted sig line. It's too bad that he didn't really live up to it himself. He also further demeaned himself by his immature, deliberate insertion of the insulting acrostic, "Metcalfe is Butthead" in his review of Brent Metcalfe's book, New Approaches to the Book of Mormon: Explorations in Critical Methodology, though it was subsequently edited out in later editions of that review.

[_subgenius]

Please sub. Do tell how discussion about God's sperm or Jesus as an implanted fetus is anything but conjecture. I await your elucidations.

I never stated that the OP was or was not conjecture.
I simply pointed out that a "discussion" was not occurring. .. by design.

Perhaps a better discussion would be about your desire to have given the OP any attention at all.