The virgin birth of Christ.

[_SteelHead]

Project away.......... Sub, project away!

[_Gunnar]

Please sub. Do tell how discussion about God's sperm or Jesus as an implanted fetus is anything but conjecture. I await your elucidations.

I never stated that the OP was or was not conjecture.
I simply pointed out that a "discussion" was not occurring. .. by design.

If so, that was more by Thorwald's design than by anyone else's, based on Thorwald's own responses to some of the comments about his OP.

[_SteelHead]

Yes sub, because calling the sperm transfer/embryo implantation theories in the OP of the guy claiming only biblical believers can have a seat at the discussion non biblical conjecture, is derailing the topic/preventing discussion................

[_Bazooka]

I would suggest there are only two posters on this thread that seem intent on blocking discussion about the OP - subgenius, who is yet to add an on topic contribution; and Thorwald, who seemingly doesn't want to discuss his OP with anyone who doesn't believe the same things Thorwald believes.

[_ludwigm]

I would suggest there are only two posters on this thread that seem intent on blocking discussion about the OP - subgenius, who is yet to add an on topic contribution; and Thorwald, who seemingly doesn't want to discuss his OP with anyone who doesn't believe the same things Thorwald believes.

According to a nameless moderator, my comment (this) is offtopic. That is, I am blocking the discussion with it...

[_Thorwald]

I thank everyone for their posts in regards to this thread. Everything I have posted, is what has been revealed to me from God. I can NEVER go back to believing in the teachings of the Christian ministry, as I have been taught by them, in the past.

In the book I wrote and had published by WestBow Press, I try to explain what God has taught me, in as summarized form, as possible. In my first attempt at writing the book, I was at more than 80,000 'words', and had only started to tell my story. I had to 'cut it down'.

When I began to receive this 'information' from God, I thought at first, that it was from Satan, trying to make me a false prophet. I was in great fear, and went to God in very serious prayer. God responded to me, immediately, using my thoughts. He told me, that Satan CANNOT 'duplicate' Numbers 12:6. If he could, then Numbers 12:6 would provide no proof, of ANYTHING.

When I was writing my book, I knew that I was going to have to deal with the birth of Christ. I did not know what to write. This bothered me. I continued to write, but knew that I was going to have to deal with this problem, shortly. When I had finished typing the material I was dealing with, and entered the 'period', God provided me with the knowledge of this topic. I never had to stop writing.

Nowhere in the Bible, do you have all 'four' figures/persons present at the same time [The Father. The Holy Ghost, The Lord God Almighty, and Jesus]. In my vision, these four were present at the same time. I was not allowed to see The Father and The Holy Ghost. They were at the far end of a channel going upwards from me, to it seemed forever. They controlled the vision. The vision took a long time (hours). It was at the very end of the vision, when The Lord God Almighty and Jesus appeared standing in the clouds to the right of this channel. I was totally 'shocked', as I had believed the teachings of the Christian ministry up to this point. I now had four figures, instead of three. God then directed me to the scripture (Isaiah 44:6, John 5:37, Revelation 1:6, Mark 1:11, Acts 7:55-56, John 14:21-23). He combined these verses, in order to provide me with the truth. I have not changed one single word of scripture.

I asked God in prayer, who I was (a prophet?, an Apostle?). He answered me, "You are who you are." Knowing who this came from, I did not dare to ask Him to 'expound' on His answer. This is the truth. I would not dare lie to you.

[_Bazooka]

*crickets*

[_Thorwald]

*crickets*

I have no idea what your posting means. What are you trying to tell me?

Take a close look at the scriptures I have referenced in my postings. I have changed none of them. I assume your response is intended to 'insult' me. If it is, you have failed to have any impact on my 'feelings'. I've been through this type of thing many times on Christian forums, previously. I have been asked to leave one church, and ignored by many ministers. Everyone ignores the scripture that they say they believe. Ministers have used their own and/or others' VANITY. I was shown in the dream that was in riddles, that no one asked God for the wisdom to understand the scriptures properly. There are 'hidden' meanings to various verses. There are also times, when several verses must be combined, in order to understand the Bible properly. If you believe that you need a Christian minister to interpret God's Word, you are wrong. You need NO MAN to provide you with an understanding of God's Word. You need Christian teachers to 'introduce' you to the Word [teachers]. Reading the Bible and praying for 'wisdom, knowledge, understanding and experience' is what is required. This is what I did, for about ten years, before God answered me. I never even dreamed that God would provide me with the knowledge, that He did. He showed me in the dream in riddles, that no one else asked Him for this information in the dedicated way that I had approached Him. I never gave up.

When I told God that I would do this work, He asked me, "Do you think you can handle it?" I told Him, "Yes." That is when the dream ended, and I was awakened, and told to write the dream down. I haven't even begun to tell you of the many 'revelations' of teaching errors being carried out by the ministry. They are filled with their own vanity, and believe, 'they have it right'. You cannot penetrate their 'wall', that they have put between you and themselves. They have put themselves in a 'cage', locked the door from the inside, and put the key in their pocket. If you do not believe me, try questioning their teachings. Many will respond in anger ["How dare you question me, and what I am teaching?"]. When you try to use the scripture as proof, they will ignore the scripture. They believe that a diploma/degree in theology brings them closer to God, than you are. They are modern day scribes and Pharisees. They have become the 'blind leading the blind' (hence my book's title, "Black Lights & Burnt Candles"), and as it is written, both will fall in the ditch. Don't be led astray. When in doubt, ASK GOD.

[_SteelHead]

I asked god. He told me you are wrong.

[_Thorwald]

I asked god. He told me you are wrong.

Evidently, you do not believe in the Bible, nor God. The scriptures tell us, that when the Apostles/disciples taught others, and they did not believe, to wipe their feet and walk away. In your case, I must do this. There is sadness in me, as I care very much for every single person on this earth. I can only 'transmit' the truth. Only my audience can determine whether they 'receive and believe' what I have transmitted. From this point onwards, your destination is determined by the relationship you have personally with God. I can do nothing further. There is no anger in me,...only sadness.