The virgin birth of Christ.

[_SteelHead]

So asking god and receiving an answer that differs from you is not allowed?

[_Thorwald]

So asking god and receiving an answer that differs from you is not allowed?

You do not understand the significance of what I have posted. It is GOD who wants the 'corrections' made. Why now? Why me? I don't know. The purpose behind His teaching me the things that I have written about, is hidden with Him.

In the dream in riddles, GOD told me, that 'ANYTHING' I wished to know concerning the scriptures, I simply had to ask Him, in prayer. This included 'missing scripture'. In the dream, I estimate that between 20%-30% of scripture given to us originally, is missing. As I was reading New Testament scripture, 'new' verses would appear, and after I read them several times, they would disappear again. Some of the verses, are as follows;

1) The Father is always praying for you. [making intercession???)
2) Fear comes from dishonesty. [no explanation required]
3) As a child, you have known The Word. [need to mature in the understanding of The Word???]
4) You need no man to teach you an understanding of The Word. [you need God to teach you]

In one night alone, I read through the New Testament, twice. On my second time through, I remembered what I had read the first time, and could 'link' the scriptures better. When I discussed what I had experienced, with a Baptist minister, he noticed all of the writing and hi-liting I had entered in my Bible. He told me that he knew of no one in all of Thunder Bay that was more dedicated than I, including himself and other ministers, in studying the scriptures. I was shocked.

For approximately nine years, when I would go for coffee and sit in my truck, drinking it, God would give me 'answers' to questions I never asked. I came to realize, that these concerned 'missing scriptures'. I realized, that I could not ask God for answers (understanding) to something I never knew 'existed'.

For some reason (as I mentioned above), God chose me to do this work. He has a purpose for doing so. I don't know what this purpose is, and why He chose me. Is it possible, that it has something to do with the final end of this world as we know it? Is He going to use my work as part of His judgement process (Those who do not believe what I have been taught and witnessed, will be found not worthy)??? I simply do not know. He must have a very good reason for teaching me what He has taught me.

As I have posted here, so I have posted on most other Christian forums, and spoken to many ministers. NO ONE seems to believe what He has taught me. Sound familiar? Think of the stories of the days of Noah, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the death of Christ, Himself, the persecution of Prophets/Apostles/Disciples. Another missing verse from the scriptures, has to do with this...When God chooses someone to teach the truth, this person will be thrown out of the churches, because, "If they threw The Master out, they will surely throw you out." I have been banned from many forums by the moderators, asked to leave one church, and ignored by many ministers (emails unanswered, and so on). I found errors in the teachings of the various ministers of the churches which I attended. Many times, I simply knew that there was something wrong with what they were teaching, but I did not know what it was. When I would leave the church, I was then given the wisdom to understand what the error was. God did not want me to reveal this to the ministers.

The road to salvation is very narrow, and few there are that will travel this road. This includes ministers, who believe they 'know it all', and no longer have to ask God for wisdom to understand His Word. Their own VANITY and the vanity of others like them, is good enough for them. This is true.

[_Spanner]

This is one thread I would actually be interested in seeing Tobin respond to.

Thorwald, this is a board for discussing Mormonism. While there are a few current Mormons here, most of us are atheist or agnostic. Further, even faithful Mormons do not believe that the Bible is inerrant.

That said, it looks like many of the biblical points you have been pondering are the same ones that inspired Joseph Smith the founder of our (ex)faith. And you seem to be on a similar track to him (except for the coffee). As you noted, I, at least, cannot engage you about your interpretation of biblical passages as I believe the Bible was written by a series of human beings, many of whom were actively engaged in mitigating or correcting the writing of previous authors of scripture. Many of the books in the Bible were written by authors claiming to be someone they were not, large swathes are retellings of Canaanite or Mesopotamian myths, and the New Testament in particular is chocker full of corrections and interpolations by later editors. That is why there are so many different ways to interpret biblical "messages".

Below are a couple of sites that look at biblical scholarship. It may be useful to look at this and similar material (the sites link to other useful sites within essays) while interpreting the Bible.
http://vridar.org/
http://ehrmanblog.org/

My view of the Bible changed drastically after I studied up the context and debates that are ongoing in the field of biblical studies.

[_Thorwald]

This is one thread I would actually be interested in seeing Tobin respond to.

Thorwald, this is a board for discussing Mormonism. While there are a few current Mormons here, most of us are atheist or agnostic. Further, even faithful Mormons do not believe that the Bible is inerrant.

That said, it looks like many of the biblical points you have been pondering are the same ones that inspired Joseph Smith the founder of our (ex)faith. And you seem to be on a similar track to him (except for the coffee). As you noted, I, at least, cannot engage you about your interpretation of biblical passages as I believe the Bible was written by a series of human beings, many of whom were actively engaged in mitigating or correcting the writing of previous authors of scripture. Many of the books in the Bible were written by authors claiming to be someone they were not, large swathes are retellings of Canaanite or Mesopotamian myths, and the New Testament in particular is chocker full of corrections and interpolations by later editors. That is why there are so many different ways to interpret biblical "messages".

Below are a couple of sites that look at biblical scholarship. It may be useful to look at this and similar material (the sites link to other useful sites within essays) while interpreting the Bible.
http://vridar.org/
http://ehrmanblog.org/

My view of the Bible changed drastically after I studied up the context and debates that are ongoing in the field of biblical studies.

I 'hear' you. I am aware of this. This is why I went to God in prayer, DAILY, at times several times per day, asking HIM for the truth. I could not stand attending churches any longer. I was finding errors in what the ministers were teaching.

It is The Holy Ghost within us, that 'opens our eyes' to the errors being taught by others. He is giving us a warning. We have no other place to turn to, in order to find the truth, than asking GOD directly, for this truth. This is what I did. I have posted what I experienced. None of what I have posted is 'imaginary'. It is The Word of God.

[_Bazooka]

This is one thread I would actually be interested in seeing Tobin respond to.

Thorwald, this is a board for discussing Mormonism. While there are a few current Mormons here, most of us are atheist or agnostic. Further, even faithful Mormons do not believe that the Bible is inerrant.

That said, it looks like many of the biblical points you have been pondering are the same ones that inspired Joseph Smith the founder of our (ex)faith. And you seem to be on a similar track to him (except for the coffee). As you noted, I, at least, cannot engage you about your interpretation of biblical passages as I believe the Bible was written by a series of human beings, many of whom were actively engaged in mitigating or correcting the writing of previous authors of scripture. Many of the books in the Bible were written by authors claiming to be someone they were not, large swathes are retellings of Canaanite or Mesopotamian myths, and the New Testament in particular is chocker full of corrections and interpolations by later editors. That is why there are so many different ways to interpret biblical "messages".

Below are a couple of sites that look at biblical scholarship. It may be useful to look at this and similar material (the sites link to other useful sites within essays) while interpreting the Bible.
http://vridar.org/
http://ehrmanblog.org/

My view of the Bible changed drastically after I studied up the context and debates that are ongoing in the field of biblical studies.

I 'hear' you. I am aware of this. This is why I went to God in prayer, DAILY, at times several times per day, asking HIM for the truth. I could not stand attending churches any longer. I was finding errors in what the ministers were teaching.

It is The Holy Ghost within us, that 'opens our eyes' to the errors being taught by others. He is giving us a warning. We have no other place to turn to, in order to find the truth, than asking GOD directly, for this truth. This is what I did. I have posted what I experienced. None of what I have posted is 'imaginary'. It is The Word of God.

So, you're saying we shouldn't be listening to you?

[_Thorwald]

What I am basically telling everyone, is, "Compare what others are telling you, to the KJV Bible scriptures, and then go to God in prayer, in the right 'frame of mind', asking Him to 'verify' that what you have been taught/told, as to whether it is true or false." Do not assume anything. We ALL have just one carnal life, which is our 'boot camp'. During our time on earth, we must decide whether or not we will follow God or Satan. EVERYONE will be measured against The Word, and The Word is God. NEVER allow your only chance for salvation to be dependant on the teachings of another. VERIFY the truth of what you read/hear, by asking God in prayer. Failure to do so, leaves you with no 'excuse' on judgement day. If you don't care what happens to you, why should God?????

[_SteelHead]

Moroni's promise..... Thorwald is recreating Mormonism.

[_ludwigm]

Moroni's promise..... Thorwald is recreating Mormonism.

Another Mormonism? When the original one is one more than enough?

[_Thorwald]

Moroni's promise..... Thorwald is recreating Mormonism.

Another Mormonism? When the original one is one more than enough?

Quit trying to 'label' me. I do not belong to ANY specific Christian denomination. I do not want to become a member of ANY of their 'cliques'. I am NOT looking for 'followers' of myself, either. Everything I have posted, is tied to the scriptures. Follow God's Word. Read your Bible and seek wisdom and understanding from God. Make certain that the Holy Ghost/Spirit recognizes the 'Bible' you are using. He is the Spirit of Truth. He can only recognize 'the truth'. If you do not believe that God will direct you, then your faith in God and His Word, is very weak.

[_ludwigm]

Moroni's promise..... Thorwald is recreating Mormonism.

Another Mormonism? When the original one is one more than enough?

Quit trying to 'label' me.

What? Do you command me? You should get out of bed a little earlier to do it.

I do not belong to ANY specific Christian denomination.

I got it. You have your own fixation, unique, unrepeatable. Twelve of a dozen.

I do not belong to ANY specific Christian denomination.

It is not a wonder.

I do not want to become a member of ANY of their 'cliques'.

They are happy with this.

I am NOT looking for 'followers' of myself, either.

Then, what do you do here?
(No, I don't suggest your leaving. Even there are rules against. The direct opposite.
I like your attendance.
As reward and punishment are necessarily integrated in pedagogy, positive and negative examples help us to build our life.

You are the negative whom I avoid at whatever cost.)

Everything I have posted, is tied to the scriptures.

Texts written by unknown barbarians thousands of years ago.

Follow God's Word. Read your Bible and seek wisdom and understanding from God. Make certain that the Holy Ghost/Spirit recognizes the 'Bible' you are using. He is the Spirit of Truth. He can only recognize 'the truth'.

The usual blah-blah.

If you do not believe that God will direct you, then your faith in God and His Word, is very weak.

You are wrong.
My faith in your blah-blah is not weak. It doesn't exists.