Is our understanding of The Trinity and Godhead correct?

[_ludwigm]

I don't believe any of you believe in God. Every posting in response to my postings, demonstrates this. Believing in God, means you believe in His Word.

I'm quite sure there are members here that do believe in God. It might be that they just don't believe in your version of God.

Thorwald, I spoke to God last night and He told me you have gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick. He says you are wrongly portraying what he said to you and that you don't understand a word of The Word.

Interestingly, I spoke to god at break of dawn *** and he said the same.

My only problem is that my god is always active at dawn - when I am active, what a miraculous coincidence - so he is not the same as Your nightly god.

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In the army, if two orders are conflicted, then the last one is the valid. The word of my matutinal god Trump's Your one, who appears at Night Hours

[_Thorwald]

ludwigm:

It is written, that we will all be judged against 'every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God'...the scriptures. Every word that proceeds out of our mouths, and our 'actions', are 'recorded/documented' by God. In order to GLORIFY GOD (which is what we must do in order to receive everlasting life), our thoughts, deeds, and words, must match the requirements laid out in the scriptures. Your postings indicate, that you are condemning yourself. I find no 'godliness/righteousness' in your postings.

[_SteelHead]

It is also written: Matt 7

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

As you, Thorwald, seem intent on judging others, your postings indicate that godliness/righteousness is not found in you either.

[_Thorwald]

It is also written: Matt 7

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

As you, Thorwald, seem intent on judging others, your postings indicate that godliness/righteousness is not found in you either.

I am NOT judging you. I am judging [comparing] what you posted, to the scriptures, as commanded by God, that I MUST do. Everything I post, MUST GLORIFY GOD...not you or I. Either a person believes in the scriptures or not.

[_SteelHead]

You don't seem to..... You say they are full of errors. How are we supposed to then know which recorded utterances from the omnipotent god of the incompetent message conveying are correct?

[_Thorwald]

You don't seem to..... You say they are full of errors. How are we supposed to then know which recorded utterances from the omnipotent god of the incompetent message conveying are correct?

I am not saying they are 'full of errors'. There are SOME errors/misunderstandings.

If you do a 'lookup' on the internet using the KJV search engine, entering in 'Lord of Hosts' as found in the Old Testament, you will find, that The Lord of Hosts is stated as being 'The God of Israel' and 'The King of Israel'. In Isaiah 44:6, we find the following;

"Thus saith the Lord the 'King of Israel', and His redeemer 'The Lord of Hosts', "I am the first and I am the last, and beside me, there is NO God."

Do you see the problem? Without God's provision of wisdom, we are left in the dark. If we then go to other scriptures in the Bible, we find that The Lord of Hosts' sheep will sit along with Him on His throne, as He sits on the right hand of The Lord God Almighty on His throne.

They are BOTH our GOD [part of the GODHEAD], and OUR KING.

[_huckelberry]

I do not see two figures in your Isaiah verse but there are possible ambiguity in the evolution of use of names there.


The Bible is not univocal in its approach to the persons of God .I suspect there is no resolution of rescrambling scripture fragments for your question. The Bible was written before the trinity became established understanding.

How could you NOT see only two figures making up GOD, in Isaiah 44:6? ..."Thus sayeth the Lord the king of Israel, and His redeemer the Lord of Hosts, I am the first and I am the last, and beside me, there is no God."

The two figures (above), are the same two figures found in Revelation chapters 4 and 5 [The Lord God Almighty and The Lord of Hosts (Jesus)].

Thorwald,
I can see a possibility of two persons being referred to in Isaiah 44:6. However i also see a possibility of two names, two titles, two roles or various combinations thereof. The passage does not continue the theme of multiple persons which to my mind would be necessary for a clarification. I do not read Hebrew so am unable to say if there is clarification in the language.

[_just me]

God is not a God of confusion.

There are hundreds of translations of the original writings (that were not in English) that made it into the current Bible.

There are millions of interpretations of those translations.

Hmmm

What is the logical conclusion here?

God is not the author of the Bible. Humans wrote it and compiled it. Translated it and interpreted it. They all pray and all get different answers.

A loving God cannot find fault with humans when he did such a lousy job of getting the message to us.

[_Thorwald]

God is not a God of confusion.

There are hundreds of translations of the original writings (that were not in English) that made it into the current Bible.

There are millions of interpretations of those translations.

Hmmm

What is the logical conclusion here?

God is not the author of the Bible. Humans wrote it and compiled it. Translated it and interpreted it. They all pray and all get different answers.

A loving God cannot find fault with humans when he did such a lousy job of getting the message to us.

The conclusion you are looking for, does not exist. If it did, then God might as well end all human life on earth, now. Common sense tells us, that The Holy Spirit guided the 'authors' of the KJV Bible. He is the Spirit of Truth. God made certain that His Word always remained. There are very few 'errors', and these errors do not change any of His commands or prophecies. The real problem is in the 'new bibles' that have been created by man, without the authorization from God. These authors will see the same fate as the two sons of Aaron [book of Leviticus] and all other 'false prophets'.

[_ludwigm]

God is not a God of confusion.

There are hundreds of translations of the original writings (that were not in English) that made it into the current Bible.

There are millions of interpretations of those translations.

Hmmm

What is the logical conclusion here?

God is not the author of the Bible. Humans wrote it and compiled it. Translated it and interpreted it. They all pray and all get different answers.

A loving God cannot find fault with humans when he did such a lousy job of getting the message to us.

The conclusion you are looking for, does not exist. If it did, then God might as well end all human life on earth, now. Common sense tells us, that The Holy Spirit guided the 'authors' of the KJV Bible. He is the Spirit of Truth. God made certain that His Word always remained. There are very few 'errors', and these errors do not change any of His commands or prophecies. The real problem is in the 'new bibles' that have been created by man, without the authorization from God. These authors will see the same fate as the two sons of Aaron [book of Leviticus] and all other 'false prophets'.

As I wrote many times, my "Friends & Foes" list is empty. I read all comments here (yes, I am that masochist !!!). I have a private basket; members to whom I don't ever answer. At this time, Thorwald is the next item of the basket.

I hope he is not the last; that type of obsessed people can be entertaining... up to a limit.

And they make our world round...
(to make a long story short; one of my family said this after we have watched a gay couple in three consecutive camping in Yugoslavia; their gender behaviour was saying)