Maklelan - A romantic incentive

[_maklelan]

As does anyone else that was/is an active member. I attend church once a month for my spouse. That makes me an active ex-member. There are plenty on this board that still attend and have not removed their records from the church and do not share your view point. Your opinion is still the minority even among active members on this board.

Which is why I don't tell anyone they're not allowed to comment, like you're doing. I will correct misapprehensions and misrepresentations, though.

If you are precluded, don't comment/defend unless you can back it up with some evidence. That's why you get push back.

Right, because everyone else here provides evidence for everything they say. I'm the only one who doesn't thoroughly document my claims.

Your opinion doesn't count as knowing better than someone.

But I demonstrably know better than many people here regarding many aspects of the Church and its functioning, and I've shown that numerous times in the past. If you want to chalk everything up to opinion unless it's backed up by documentation, you still lose.

So I extend an olive branch to you and you proceed to attack my avatar.

See, this is what I'm talking about. Your avatar is not some close personal friend of yours. You put it up there to antagonize, and now you're going to complain about me pointing that out?

by the way, I never run out of rhetoric.

You ran out of effective rhetoric a long time ago. Now you're just throwing everything you can against the wall.

I am giving you an opportunity to end yours. If you want to continue, I'll gladly go the rounds with you.

I'm not slinging rhetoric, I'm being honest with you. You're the one just trying to protect your worldview and attack the Church.

[_Sanctorian]

As does anyone else that was/is an active member. I attend church once a month for my spouse. That makes me an active ex-member. There are plenty on this board that still attend and have not removed their records from the church and do not share your view point. Your opinion is still the minority even among active members on this board.

Which is why I don't tell anyone they're not allowed to comment, like you're doing. I will correct misapprehensions and misrepresentations, though.

If you are precluded, don't comment/defend unless you can back it up with some evidence. That's why you get push back.

Right, because everyone else here provides evidence for everything they say. I'm the only one who doesn't thoroughly document my claims.

Your opinion doesn't count as knowing better than someone.

But I demonstrably know better than many people here regarding many aspects of the Church and its functioning, and I've shown that numerous times in the past. If you want to chalk everything up to opinion unless it's backed up by documentation, you still lose.

So I extend an olive branch to you and you proceed to attack my avatar.

See, this is what I'm talking about. Your avatar is not some close personal friend of yours. You put it up there to antagonize, and now you're going to complain about me pointing that out?

by the way, I never run out of rhetoric.

You ran out of effective rhetoric a long time ago. Now you're just throwing everything you can against the wall.

I am giving you an opportunity to end yours. If you want to continue, I'll gladly go the rounds with you.

I'm not slinging rhetoric, I'm being honest with you. You're the one just trying to protect your worldview and attack the Church.

That's a nice opinion Mak. It has no basis in fact.

[_maklelan]

That's a nice opinion Mak. It has no basis in fact.

I guess if you say so.

[_grindael]

Interesting...

[_Maksutov]

Please can we stop these threads about what is wrong/right about Maklelan?

It appears to me that there may be people on the board motivated by envy and resentment regarding Maklelan's demonstrated authority and competence. I value him although I often disagree. I see no reason to keep cross examining him and expecting him to defend his personal life. If I were him I would have told folks to “F” off a long time ago.

[_Res Ipsa]

Please can we stop these threads about what is wrong/right about Maklelan?

It appears to me that there may be people on the board motivated by envy and resentment regarding Maklelan's demonstrated authority and competence. I value him although I often disagree. I see no reason to keep cross examining him and expecting him to defend his personal life. If I were him I would have told folks to f*** off a long time ago.

Amen.

[_Sanctorian]

It appears to me that there may be people on the board motivated by envy and resentment regarding Maklelan's demonstrated authority and competence. I value him although I often disagree. I see no reason to keep cross examining him and expecting him to defend his personal life. If I were him I would have told folks to f*** off a long time ago.

You're too kind to Mr. Mak. When he sticks to his core competence, he does have a lot of value to add. When he strays from that competence to the point of calling out members and downplaying their life experiences, he abuses his alleged authority and we all know what the Lard says, "amen to the alleged authority of that man". At that point, he's no better than a monkey throwing crap. When I get crap thrown at me, I throw crap back.

[_mentalgymnast]

Why is it important to you that everyone's experience be the same?

I've noticed that to be an underlying message/theme also.

If I have had similar experiences and/or have learned similar things along the way...why am I still in the church, some will ask? How can I believe and yet have questions/doubts, while at the same time give benefit of the doubt to priesthood authority and choose to honor the positions and directives of those that serve in the church hierarchy both and the general and local level? It's as though once one has become somewhat "enlightened" there is only one path to follow...out of the church. Problem is, it is difficult on a message board to try and connect with others and let them really understand what does and doesn't drive you and why one can move forward with a certain sense of integrity/faith as a member of the church after going through a faith crisis and rebuilding/reconstructing/reevaluating faith.

Regards,
MG

[_Sanctorian]

Why is it important to you that everyone's experience be the same?

I've noticed that to be an underlying message/theme also.

If I have had similar experiences and/or have learned similar things along the way...why am I still in the church, some will ask? How can I believe and yet have questions/doubts, while at the same time give benefit of the doubt to priesthood authority and choose to honor the positions and directives of those that serve in the church hierarchy both and the general and local level? It's as though once one has become somewhat "enlightened" there is only one path to follow...out of the church. Problem is, it is difficult on a message board to try and connect with others and let them really understand what does and doesn't drive you and why one can move forward with a certain sense of integrity/faith as a member of the church after going through a faith crisis and rebuilding/reconstructing/reevaluating faith.

Regards,
MG

I don't believe that is accurate. I haven't been around all that long when you consider the history of his board, but I don't recall someone bluntly calling you out for continuing to believe despite your knowledge of the history of the church. You seem to do a very good job explaining why you continue to believe and for that, I for one respect your position.

Mak on the other hand tries to force his world view on others. His statements are claimed as fact and that us critics are universally wrong. He then tries to hide behind his alleged employment status as insider knowledge that has no details.

quick example - Mak states "meet the Mormons will do well in attendance". We analyze the data to suggest, yes, among the Mormon audience, it did well. Among nationwide American standards on how a movie gets rated for attendance, it failed. But Mak's statement of fact Trump's all else.

That attitude leaves no room for discussion. He shows no respect to opposing view points and deserves no respect in return.

You, MG, are significantly different than that and I respect your opposing worldview.

[_mentalgymnast]

I haven't been around all that long when you consider the history of his board, but I don't recall someone bluntly calling you out for continuing to believe despite your knowledge of the history of the church. You seem to do a very good job explaining why you continue to believe and for that, I for one respect your position.

It has not been often. Just a few times along the way. But we remember those, don't we? And not really in a mean spirited kind of way. I won't mention any names, because that is not useful, but there are a few posters that tend to get a bit more "in your face" and/or caustic (using what I would consider to be inappropriate language and/or innuendo), but on the whole I am quite impressed with the patience/forbearance exercised by MOST of the posters on this board. That's why I've felt somewhat comfortable sticking around for the time that I have. I think there is a mutual respect/understanding for where we're at in our own individual journeys as they relate to the BIG things in life that are important and worthy of discussion.

Thanks for your kind words. I've mentioned before, I consider myself to be just a "regular guy". Not anyone special as far as a great fecundity of either knowledge or wisdom...but I enjoy putting language together and trying to create coherent thoughts. It's good for my aging brain.

And I have been around the block a few times in my reading/study/doubts, etc.

Tonight I'm on Trick or Treat duty. I should be watching "Arrow" on Netflix. But this is fun. My wife doesn't quite see why I like to play in this playground, but then again I don't see why she likes to spend so much time making lists for this and that (shopping deals and such) and filling up what seems to be reams of paper. But it saves us lots of money. I'm glad she does it when all is said and done!

Regards,
MG