problems with God

[_AKA_ME]

having presented these issues to numerous missionaries without any response, perhaps someone here can provide a response?

1. Joseph Smith was married to Fanny Alger at the time revelation was canonized stating:

“Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with...polygamy; we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife...” This “Article on Marriage” was canonized and published in the Doctrine & Covenants.

Canonizing scripture stating monogamy, while commanding Joseph Smith to practice polygamy means God is a liar.

2. for God to command humans against lying, while himself lying, makes God a hypocrite.

3. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... z2krYL9DhP

Todd Mitchell Edwards, 49, pleaded guilty Wednesday to two counts related to the assault of the teens, ages 16 and 18, Edwards held the rank of bishop in the Menifee ward of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which is an unordained and volunteer position. Church officials have said Edwards was removed from that post once they learned of the allegations against him.

by creating a calling for Todd Edwards to become bishop… so that he may use his authority in the church to molest children is absolutely insane. The practice of having a bishop interview children alone… is going to create more cases of child molestation and church members should not be complicit in the process. God is a criminal by association with a child molester.

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_M ... e_massacre
the remaining personal property of the Baker–Fancher party was taken to the tithing house at Cedar City and auctioned off to local Mormons.

God received stolen goods taken off massacre victims at MMM… making God a thief.

5. regarding the aftermath of Mountain Meadows Massacre; Brigham Young stated "Vengeance is mine and I have taken a little". putting false words in God’s mouth, in violation of Deuteronomy 13 means the church is anti-biblical.

6. regarding the Priesthood ban, the church has admitted prophets of old were stuffing words in God’s mouth, in violation of Deuteronomy which says the punishment is death. again the church is anti-biblical by not following Deuteronomy.

7. spirit of discernment was broken in failing to prevent church leaders from getting tricked by Mark Hoffman.

8. God flip-flopped on his own plan of exaltation (polygamy was a requirement for exaltation) when the US government commanded God to bow down before man, and he did.

9. science says the universe began with the big bang. There is no place God could have been standing prior to the big bang, in order that he may kick off the big bang. A corporeal god simply cannot exist by definition of the chicken-and-egg problem.

While it is ok for church members to model themselves after a lying hypocrite criminal thief…
How can they expect non-members to believe doing so is required to attain the presence of Heavenly Father?

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Canonizing scripture stating monogamy, while commanding Joseph Smith to practice polygamy means God is a liar.

2. for God to command humans against lying, while himself lying, makes God a hypocrite.

God received stolen goods taken off massacre victims at MMM… making God a thief.

These are more or less consistent with Yahweh's behavior in the Bible, particularly in the Old Testament.

5. regarding the aftermath of Mountain Meadows Massacre; Brigham Young stated "Vengeance is mine and I have taken a little". putting false words in God’s mouth, in violation of Deuteronomy 13 means the church is anti-biblical.

6. regarding the Priesthood ban, the church has admitted prophets of old were stuffing words in God’s mouth, in violation of Deuteronomy which says the punishment is death. again the church is anti-biblical by not following Deuteronomy.

Anti-Biblical? That's a plus in my book. I'd feel a lot safer around a god who's merely a liar, a hypocrite, and a thief than around a god who's also a homicidal maniac.

Though, the ideal situation would be one where people no longer feel the need to believe in a god that was invented during the bronze age.

[_ludwigm]

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Though, the ideal situation would be one where people no longer feel the need to believe in a god that was invented during the bronze age

Then they developed that belief up to the internet age.


by the way the gap?
Yes, there is certain gap. For a few century, only the priests, monks, maybe the nuns could write and read. There were no other ways to transfer any knowledge.

[_subgenius]

having presented these issues to numerous missionaries without any response, perhaps someone here can provide a response?

1. Joseph Smith was married to Fanny Alger at the time revelation was canonized stating:

“Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with...polygamy; we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife...” This “Article on Marriage” was canonized and published in the Doctrine & Covenants.

Canonizing scripture stating monogamy, while commanding Joseph Smith to practice polygamy means God is a liar.

2. for God to command humans against lying, while himself lying, makes God a hypocrite.

3. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... z2krYL9DhP

Todd Mitchell Edwards, 49, pleaded guilty Wednesday to two counts related to the assault of the teens, ages 16 and 18, Edwards held the rank of bishop in the Menifee ward of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which is an unordained and volunteer position. Church officials have said Edwards was removed from that post once they learned of the allegations against him.

by creating a calling for Todd Edwards to become bishop… so that he may use his authority in the church to molest children is absolutely insane. The practice of having a bishop interview children alone… is going to create more cases of child molestation and church members should not be complicit in the process. God is a criminal by association with a child molester.

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_M ... e_massacre
the remaining personal property of the Baker–Fancher party was taken to the tithing house at Cedar City and auctioned off to local Mormons.

God received stolen goods taken off massacre victims at MMM… making God a thief.

5. regarding the aftermath of Mountain Meadows Massacre; Brigham Young stated "Vengeance is mine and I have taken a little". putting false words in God’s mouth, in violation of Deuteronomy 13 means the church is anti-biblical.

6. regarding the Priesthood ban, the church has admitted prophets of old were stuffing words in God’s mouth, in violation of Deuteronomy which says the punishment is death. again the church is anti-biblical by not following Deuteronomy.

7. spirit of discernment was broken in failing to prevent church leaders from getting tricked by Mark Hoffman.

8. God flip-flopped on his own plan of exaltation (polygamy was a requirement for exaltation) when the US government commanded God to bow down before man, and he did.

9. science says the universe began with the big bang. There is no place God could have been standing prior to the big bang, in order that he may kick off the big bang. A corporeal god simply cannot exist by definition of the chicken-and-egg problem.

While it is ok for church members to model themselves after a lying hypocrite criminal thief…
How can they expect non-members to believe doing so is required to attain the presence of Heavenly Father?

1. You seem to be confused and/or angry at any given moment in time.
2. You have likely not received a "response" from the missionaries because your "issues" are mostly incoherent and absurd. Chances are that those missionaries have been counseled to avoid "responding" to visibly disturbed individuals.
3. Your concept(s) of the LDS church and its teachings seems to be at odds with reality.
4. http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/guide/adh ... -treatment

[_AKA_ME]

1. You seem to be confused and/or angry at any given moment in time.
2. You have likely not received a "response" from the missionaries because your "issues" are mostly incoherent and absurd. Chances are that those missionaries have been counseled to avoid "responding" to visibly disturbed individuals.
3. Your concept(s) of the LDS church and its teachings seems to be at odds with reality.
4. http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/guide/adh ... -treatment

can you take ONE issue (for example issue #1) and either acknowledge it, or... heaven forbid address it?

[_souldier]

9. science says the universe began with the big bang. There is no place God could have been standing prior to the big bang, in order that he may kick off the big bang. A corporeal god simply cannot exist by definition of the chicken-and-egg problem.

I'm just barely getting into this so I'm no expert, but there are some who have a more nontheistic view of God.

"God does not exist. He is being itself beyond essence and existence. Therefore to argue that God exists is to deny him."[10] This [Paul] Tillich quotation summarizes his conception of God. He does not think of God as a being that exists in time and space, because that constrains God, and makes God finite. But all beings are finite, and if God is the Creator of all beings, God cannot logically be finite since a finite being cannot be the sustainer of an infinite variety of finite things. Thus God is considered beyond being, above finitude and limitation, the power or essence of being itself.[11]

If there is a God, that is how I see him/her/it. Something we cannot define or understand, nothing like the God of Mormonism with all His baggage.

[_subgenius]

1. You seem to be confused and/or angry at any given moment in time.
2. You have likely not received a "response" from the missionaries because your "issues" are mostly incoherent and absurd. Chances are that those missionaries have been counseled to avoid "responding" to visibly disturbed individuals.
3. Your concept(s) of the LDS church and its teachings seems to be at odds with reality.
4. http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/guide/adh ... -treatment

can you take ONE issue (for example issue #1) and either acknowledge it, or... heaven forbid address it?

I acknowledged and addressed each issue, comprehensively.
So, heaven forbid, can you actually present an issue that can be addressed further.
for example
"9. science says the universe began with the big bang. There is no place God could have been standing prior to the big bang, in order that he may kick off the big bang. A corporeal god simply cannot exist by definition of the chicken-and-egg problem."

your entire statement is nonsensical, even from its sophomoric portrayal of a "prime mover" premise.

http://www.drugs.com/health-guide/delus ... order.html

[_AKA_ME]

1. You seem to be confused and/or angry at any given moment in time.
2. You have likely not received a "response" from the missionaries because your "issues" are mostly incoherent and absurd. Chances are that those missionaries have been counseled to avoid "responding" to visibly disturbed individuals.
3. Your concept(s) of the LDS church and its teachings seems to be at odds with reality.
4. http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/guide/adh ... -treatment
http://www.drugs.com/health-guide/delus ... order.html

absolutely BRILLIANT! create 4 points that address ME PERSONALLY, and post a link to MENTAL DISORDERS...

THEN confuse that with having ADDRESSED anything listed in the opening post.

here is a suggestion...

pray and God will answer these issues for you.

[_Gunnar]

1. You seem to be confused and/or angry at any given moment in time.
2. You have likely not received a "response" from the missionaries because your "issues" are mostly incoherent and absurd. Chances are that those missionaries have been counseled to avoid "responding" to visibly disturbed individuals.
3. Your concept(s) of the LDS church and its teachings seems to be at odds with reality.
4. http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/guide/adh ... -treatment
http://www.drugs.com/health-guide/delus ... order.html

absolutely BRILLIANT! create 4 points that address ME PERSONALLY, and post a link to MENTAL DISORDERS...

THEN confuse that with having ADDRESSED anything listed in the opening post.

here is a suggestion...

pray and God will answer these issues for you.

Plus, ironically, subgenius seems unaware of the point that few things are more strongly correlated with or symptomatic of mental disorders than strong religiosity.

[_Bazooka]

Plus, ironically, subgenius seems unaware of the point that few things are more strongly correlated with or symptomatic of mental disorders than strong religiosity.

There's probably a VERY good reason for subgenius' lack of self awareness....