problems with God

[_LittleNipper]

Tragically, I can not make the leap from GOD, to God's word. It just seems to me that "God's word" is a bunch of writings from guys with hidden agendas.

You need to ask GOD concerning your unbelief, as did the boys father in Mark 9:24

[_Zadok]

You need to ask GOD concerning your unbelief, as did the boys father in Mark 9:24

Nipper, been trying to talk to God for 67 years. So far.... just crickets.

[_DrW]

Galatians 5:19-23 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live for this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things the Law is not.

Matthew 7:13 Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it.
Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

When I said that I counted myself fortunate not to be so infected, I guess I neglected to mention the robust and effective immunity I have build up over the years - strengthened by repeated exposure to religious nonsense such as you have just provided.

[_ludwigm]

...
the millions of wrecked lives of females
...

... in religious states.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... t-27825384 :

Two Saudi women detained for nearly a month in defiance of a ban on females driving were referred on Thursday to a court established to try terrorism cases, several people close to the defendants said.

The cases of the two, Loujain al-Hathloul and Maysa al-Amoudi, were sent to the anti-terrorism court in connection to opinions they expressed in tweets and in social media, four people close to the two women told The Associated Press.

They did not elaborate on the specific charges or what the opinions were. Both women have spoken out online against the female driving ban. Activists say they fear the case is intended to send a warning to others pushing for greater rights. The four people spoke on condition of anonymity because of fear of government reprisals.

The Specialized Criminal Court, to which their cases were referred, was established in the capital Riyadh to try terrorism cases but has also tried and handed long prison sentences to a number of human rights workers, peaceful dissidents, activists and critics of the government. For example, this year it sentenced a revered Shiite cleric Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr, a vocal critic of the government, to death for sedition and sentenced a prominent human rights lawyer, Waleed Abul-Khair, to 15 years in prison on charges of inciting public opinion.

What? Christians are true and muslims are wrong? Then send a new crusade (but think about oil...)

mishmash written by long dead (better case) or never existed persons

In fact, I count myself very fortunate not to be so infected.

As do I.

[_DrW]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... t-27825384 :

Two Saudi women detained for nearly a month in defiance of a ban on females driving were referred on Thursday to a court established to try terrorism cases, several people close to the defendants said.

The cases of the two, Loujain al-Hathloul and Maysa al-Amoudi, were sent to the anti-terrorism court in connection to opinions they expressed in tweets and in social media, four people close to the two women told The Associated Press.

They did not elaborate on the specific charges or what the opinions were. Both women have spoken out online against the female driving ban. Activists say they fear the case is intended to send a warning to others pushing for greater rights. The four people spoke on condition of anonymity because of fear of government reprisals.

The Specialized Criminal Court, to which their cases were referred, was established in the capital Riyadh to try terrorism cases but has also tried and handed long prison sentences to a number of human rights workers, peaceful dissidents, activists and critics of the government. For example, this year it sentenced a revered Shiite cleric Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr, a vocal critic of the government, to death for sedition and sentenced a prominent human rights lawyer, Waleed Abul-Khair, to 15 years in prison on charges of inciting public opinion.

Lived there. Seen that. It ain't pretty.

And because of effective control of the media by religionists and the government (usually one in the same the Gulf) we in the West are aware of only the smallest fraction of what goes on there in terms of abuse of women.

Around the time that fundamentalist Mormons in SLC were finally getting rid of the Priesthood ban for blacks, the fundamentalist Saudis in Jeddah were busy publicly beheading a 19 year old princess who had fallen in love with a commoner. (Just to be fair, they beheaded the unfortunate commoner as well.) The BBC managed to film this event and the resulting worldwide outcry put a bit of damper on public beheadings in the Kingdom.

On 15 July 1977, both {the princess and her lover] were publicly executed in Jeddah by the side of the Queen's Building in the park. Despite her royal status, she was blindfolded, made to kneel, and executed on the explicit instructions of her grandfather, a senior member of the royal family, for the alleged dishonour she brought on her clan and defying a royal order calling for her to marry a man selected by the family.

Women in Pakistan are still imprisoned, or even killed, for failing to marry the man that their families have selected for them as husbands.

Agreed, Ludwig. Little Nipper can have his religion. I want none of it.

[_LittleNipper]

Galatians 5:19-23 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live for this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things the Law is not.

Matthew 7:13 Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it.
Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

When I said that I counted myself fortunate not to be so infected, I guess I neglected to mention the robust and effective immunity I have build up over the years - strengthened by repeated exposure to religious nonsense such as you have just provided.

I see you are at a loss for words. You are infected by Secular Humanism, just not by Christianity. By the way, biblical Christianity does not promote a class/caste system. Everyone is made equal in Christ. There are few beliefs that promote equalization of everyone. Status does not impress GOD.

[_ludwigm]

Status does not impress GOD.

Deuteronomy 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

Nehemiah 13:1 On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever;

Was born as ammonite, moabite, negro, catholic, protestant, muslim, bahái, buddhist, atheist IS A STATUS.

To be born into a certain family, country (environment...) IS A STATUS.

by the way the Bible, even your pet YLT doesn't use the word "status". From where did you get this unbiblical (so untrue) word?

[_Amore]

The problem with group thought...
Why are there such extremes?
Either blindly worshipping the words of imperfect people written centuries ago, or denying one's own continuous subjective beliefs (a.k.a. god, "ultimate concern)??

[_LittleNipper]

Status does not impress GOD.

Deuteronomy 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

Nehemiah 13:1 On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever;

Was born as ammonite, moabite, negro, catholic, protestant, muslim, bahái, buddhist, atheist IS A STATUS.

To be born into a certain family, country (environment...) IS A STATUS.

by the way the Bible, even your pet YLT doesn't use the word "status". From where did you get this unbiblical (so untrue) word?

GOD does not want Believers to marry non-believers. It is obvious that such a match would cause contention and heartache. Moses did marry a Ethiopian, and Boaz's marriage to Ruth who was a Moabite ----- who became the great------------- grandmother of Jesus. It seems to me that you are failing to understand what you read.

[_malkie]

Status does not impress GOD.

Deuteronomy 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

Nehemiah 13:1 On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever;

Was born as ammonite, moabite, negro, catholic, protestant, muslim, bahái, buddhist, atheist IS A STATUS.

To be born into a certain family, country (environment...) IS A STATUS.

by the way the Bible, even your pet YLT doesn't use the word "status". From where did you get this unbiblical (so untrue) word?

GOD does not want Believers to marry non-believers. It is obvious that such a match would cause contention and heartache. Moses did marry a Ethiopian, and Boaz's marriage to Ruth who was a Moabite ----- who became the great------------- grandmother of Jesus. It seems to me that you are failing to understand what you read.

I just love how religionists of all flavors can speak so blithely and confidently about what god "wants", apparently without regard for what other religionists have decided that god "wants".

And I'd be fine with it, to a certain extent, except that they all want to impose their beliefs about what god wants on others.

A pox on them!