Which cognitive distortions do you struggle with?

[_subgenius]

I was born into a church were bi-polar thinking was the norm. I have been out of the church for years, but I am still plagued by this type of thinking.

Me too.
It's a tough one because it's supported by so many herd mentalities...
Ie:"Good guy vs. bad guy" superficiality is about all America's lit (movies) have time for.

Little by little, I'm letting go of previous unrealistic expectations of perfection and dysfunctional shame. But it's an ongoing process. First, I was angry at realizing so much wasn't how I'd thought - pissed at myself and others for being imperfect. Now, realizing (emotionally not just intellectually) that it's to be expected that all human beings have some greed, pride, general weakness. "In each of us is a bit of all of us."

It is interesting how so many people claim that life is merely subjective....yet....they insist that reality is not always how one thinks it is. This is the dissonance of almost every atheist I have ever met or had the good humor to read.

That being said,
Is not the "good vs. bad" exactly the notion being expressed by "In each of us is a bit of all of us." ? This seems to not be superficial at all but the most founded truth one can realize, correct?

thanks for the great thread topic

[_subgenius]

Subgenius, what is your understanding of the commercial product known as "Heartsell"?

It is based upon the most fundamental advertising/marketing/selling/convincing/argument principle....that an emotional message evokes a response.

your clumsy attempt to link this to the HG should be entertaining

let me go get my tinfoil hat before you begin

[_subgenius]

Subgenius, what is your understanding of the commercial product known as "Heartsell"?

quick follow up

do you think JC was merely manipulating people when He told them stories or asked them questions which evoked an emotion of compassion or love for their fellow man?
Is there a devious undertone inherent to this behavior?

[_Bazooka]

Subgenius, what is your understanding of the commercial product known as "Heartsell"?

It is based upon the most fundamental advertising/marketing/selling/convincing/argument principle....that an emotional message evokes a response.

your clumsy attempt to link this to the HG should be entertaining

let me go get my tinfoil hat before you begin

I don't need to link it, the Church does that.
It is a commercial technique that Bonneville uses to produce advertisements on behalf of clients. The technique is specifically designed to evoke an emotional reaction from 'customers' based upon the carefully crafted overlay of music, image and storyline. That emotional response has been researched and linked to a customers buying patterns. If Bonneville can produce an advertisement that generates an emotional response the customer is more likely to buy what is being sold, regardless of wether they wanted it.

All Church videos are produced using "Heartsell".
General Conference speakers are coached in the art of speaking with "Heartsell".

Those are the facts. Feel free to draw your own conclusions.

Seperately:
Can you provide a reliable method of differentiating between an emotion and the spirit?

[_Bazooka]

Subgenius, what is your understanding of the commercial product known as "Heartsell"?

quick follow up

do you think JC was merely manipulating people when He told them stories or asked them questions which evoked an emotion of compassion or love for their fellow man?
Is there a devious undertone inherent to this behavior?

When shown a video produced by the Church in conjunction with 'Heartsell" it elicits an emotional response in the viewer. The missionaries who brought the video to the persons house explain that what they are feeling is the spirit, when in fact they are simply feeling a commercially generated emotional reaction. I'd say that was inherently devious, wouldn't you?

[_subgenius]

I don't need to link it, the Church does that.

then why did you mention it?

It is a commercial technique that Bonneville uses to produce advertisements on behalf of clients. The technique is specifically designed to evoke an emotional reaction from 'customers' based upon the carefully crafted overlay of music, image and storyline.

Oh, you mean a technique that is taught and used by every television show, commercial, movie script, political speech, public speech, private toast, lawyer, poet, novelist, short-story writer, children's book author, old mountain story teller, haunted house, Disney, county fair rides, Mtv, the ASPCA (damn you Sara McLaughlin), military training programs, opera, coffee house slams, NFL films, parades, festivals, circus, Vegas show, etc... ?

That emotional response has been researched and linked to a customers buying patterns. If Bonneville can produce an advertisement that generates an emotional response the customer is more likely to buy what is being sold, regardless of wether they wanted it.

Oh...mind control (adjusts tin foil hat)
you are making the amateur mistake of assuming that coupons work. Coupons merely convince people who are hesitant to buy, buy...they do not change a person's mind...they merely enlarge an impulse they already had.

but now i understand the truth about Heavy Metal music, thanks!

All Church videos are produced using "Heartsell".
General Conference speakers are coached in the art of speaking with "Heartsell".

CFR

Those are the facts.

again, CFR for the "fact" above

Feel free to draw your own conclusions.

thanks for granting me that freedom...i conclude that most of what you wrote is speculation and not actual fact (beyond the rather simplified definition of Heartsell)

Seperately:
Can you provide a reliable method of differentiating between an emotion and the spirit?

Yes

[_subgenius]

When shown a video produced by the Church in conjunction with 'Heartsell" it elicits an emotional response in the viewer. The missionaries who brought the video to the persons house explain that what they are feeling is the spirit, when in fact they are simply feeling a commercially generated emotional reaction. I'd say that was inherently devious, wouldn't you?

you mean "devious" like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIsOvsFO4G4

[_Bazooka]

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[_Bazooka]

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[_subgenius]

All Church videos are produced using "Heartsell".
General Conference speakers are coached in the art of speaking with "Heartsell".

CFR

still waiting for "fact" that GC speakers are coached....

Those are the facts.

again, CFR for the "fact" above

as an... e a s y.... side request....explain what "carefully crafted...storyline" was used in the last GC ?