5 reasons to suspect Jesus never existed...

[_Jersey Girl]

Oh and the opening the door bit. (See? I'm procrastinating on my house work!)

I open the door for anyone I see who needs assistance. The person who is coming right behind me, the mother with a cart load of groceries and kids hanging off it, and that sort of thing.

I have been honored to open the door for many a disabled veteran in my life, particularly at the VA hospital, and I always thank them for their service as they pass by me.

If someone opens the door for me, I thank them on my way through.

It's as simple as that. Golden rule type thing.

[_Jersey Girl]

Still procrastinating...here's how a woman opens the door for a DAV.

Me: Hey let me get that for you.
Him: Thank you.
Me. Thank you for your service, sir.

Lord love them all.

[_KevinSim]

You're offending the hell out of me, buddy.

I'm sorry! I'm not trying to! Please explain to me what I'm doing that offends you, so that I can stop doing it.

As it stands, I used IHAQ's remark to get a laugh out of it. I laughed and I'm pretty sure that he got a laughed too. I know that your heart is in the right place, but it offends the hell out of me when a guy here tries to take up for me when it looks like some other guy is giving me a hard time.

How do you get the impression that I'm trying "to take up for" you? I'm not even sure I know what that phrase means. I certainly didn't make my statement intending "to take up for" you; as I said before, I simply saw IHAQ use a term I thought was inappropriate and in bad taste, and I told him so.

Let me tell you a story. Back in 2004, after the telecommunications bubble burst, I couldn't find a software job so I got a job working as a cashier for 7-Eleven in Plano, Texas. While I was there, a fellow comes up to the cash register and makes some statement about black people in the store, indicating basically that he thought the way to treat blacks was to kill them. There were two black kids in the store, and they went out and told their father what the guy had said. Their father came into the store and suggested to the bigot that they resolve their differences out in the parking lot. The bigot asked if I could hold his wallet behind the cash register, because he didn't want it damaged (I think) in the ensuing fight, and I took the guy's wallet. The bigot then followed the black guy out to the parking lot, but apparently the latter thought better of solving his problems with violence, because he drove off and the fight never happened.

To this day I regret the fact that I took that guy's wallet to protect it. I should have told him that he was a jerk for saying what he said, and that he was no longer welcome in that store. (I think it's probably pretty safe to conclude that my boss would have backed me up on that, if I had explained the situation to him.) Instead, the father of those two black kids had to face this jerk alone out in the parking lot. He should have had me backing him up.

That's what I thought I was doing with you. Maybe I was wrong, but that's what I thought I was doing with you, showing IHAQ that if he was going to call your actions bitchy that you weren't the only one that took him to task for it. There; I'll come down off my soap box now. I promise, on my solemn word of honor, that I will never criticize another person for calling anyone bitchy again. Wait; is it okay if I insult people who call my wife or my daughters bitchy? Just let me know what you think, and I'll go on what you tell me.

[_KevinSim]

But just answer me this question, Jersey Girl, do you agree with IHAQ that I owed him an apology because I called him on the carpet for using the word bitchy, and do you agree with him that I still owe the people on this forum an apology? If you do, and if you can explain to me why I owe those two entities an apology, I will most certainly give them one. (Well, I'll give the MDB an apology anyhow; IHAQ has informed me that it's too late to give him one. Thanks for defending me on that issue, by the way.)

I don't think you owe anyone an apology. I see that as a calculated move on his part to try to marginalize and humiliate you.

Thank you!

[_Jersey Girl]

If this doesn't edit correctly, just try to slog through it.

You're offending the hell out of me, buddy.

I'm sorry! I'm not trying to! Please explain to me what I'm doing that offends you, so that I can stop doing it.

In my view, you're defending women when a woman is present on the thread and who can speak (type) for herself. I'm starting to see where you were coming from if that helps at all.

As it stands, I used IHAQ's remark to get a laugh out of it. I laughed and I'm pretty sure that he got a laughed too. I know that your heart is in the right place, but it offends the hell out of me when a guy here tries to take up for me when it looks like some other guy is giving me a hard time.

How do you get the impression that I'm trying "to take up for" you? I'm not even sure I know what that phrase means. I certainly didn't make my statement intending "to take up for" you; as I said before, I simply saw IHAQ use a term I thought was inappropriate and in bad taste, and I told him so.[/quote]

Taking up for someone is defending them or rescuing them.

Let me tell you a story. Back in 2004, after the telecommunications bubble burst, I couldn't find a software job so I got a job working as a cashier for 7-Eleven in Plano, Texas. While I was there, a fellow comes up to the cash register and makes some statement about black people in the store, indicating basically that he thought the way to treat blacks was to kill them. There were two black kids in the store, and they went out and told their father what the guy had said. Their father came into the store and suggested to the bigot that they resolve their differences out in the parking lot. The bigot asked if I could hold his wallet behind the cash register, because he didn't want it damaged (I think) in the ensuing fight, and I took the guy's wallet. The bigot then followed the black guy out to the parking lot, but apparently the latter thought better of solving his problems with violence, because he drove off and the fight never happened.

I would have taken his wallet, pulled out his driver's license, called 911 with the information, stuck the DL under the register and not pulled it out again until I had the cops on the scene. Even if the bigot was the one that drove off and I'd handed his wallet back to him before he left. In other words, I would have kept his license and used it to let the cops nail him.

To this day I regret the fact that I took that guy's wallet to protect it. I should have told him that he was a jerk for saying what he said, and that he was no longer welcome in that store. (I think it's probably pretty safe to conclude that my boss would have backed me up on that, if I had explained the situation to him.) Instead, the father of those two black kids had to face this jerk alone out in the parking lot. He should have had me backing him up.

Read that last sentence. Read it again. Step out from yourself if you can and read it for what it tells me. It tells me that you think you should have defended the guy.

Like you're defending me. Taking up for me.

That's what I thought I was doing with you.

You were.

Maybe I was wrong, but that's what I thought I was doing with you, showing IHAQ that if he was going to call your actions bitchy that you weren't the only one that took him to task for it.

I guess that's cool. But I didn't take him to task for it. I took his remark, traded out the genders, and shoved a male gender slur right back in his face. Kevin, there is probably some room to consider "cultural" differences here. Let's say you're an LDS guy from Utah or largely interact with an LDS circle, and that's pretty much what your life is like.

I'm from some place altogether different. So, there's probably a huge difference in my attitude, my perspective on things or the way I handle them. I mean if you're from where I am from, the word "bitch" isn't even on the list of worst insults you could hurl at a woman. I'm not going to list the worst female insults you could say from back East or the guys here might start to use them, in which case I'd be forced to verbally kill them. ;-) Where I'm from, sometimes the word "bitch" is actually a compliment to a strong woman. I think it's all about culture and context.

There; I'll come down off my soap box now. I promise, on my solemn word of honor, that I will never criticize another person for calling anyone bitchy again. Wait; is it okay if I insult people who call my wife or my daughters bitchy? Just let me know what you think, and I'll go on what you tell me.

Your wife and your daughters? So long as they aren't using the word to describe the mood or behavior of each other?

In that case, I think you rip into the other person for all you're worth, don't stop until you've shredded them into teeny tiny little pieces, then you take a deep breath and blow the pieces away!

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I don't recall anywhere in Biblical scripture the claim that Christianity would change the inherent nature of human beings.

“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!”

Do you really want to play scripture war with me? If so, I'll be back to engage.

Well, you'd be playing it with a fellow Christian then. That's not my quote.

V/R
Doc

[_Chap]

So there's no more to say about the OP, then?

[_I have a question]

So there's no more to say about the OP, then?

The whiny ass bitch KevinSim successfully derailed the thread.
I predict he will continue to do so.

[_huckelberry]

When you write, "primary sources", what exactly are you thinking about?

That which is considered a primary historical source, the which 0 exist for Jesus. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source

The gospels are tertiary, or secondary at best, demonstrate historical inconsistencies, geographical errors, yada yada, and as such are not historical accounts of Jesus's life.

I suppose if one pretends that only primary sources provide real information then there is no real information about Jesus. Secondary sources can provide good information. In the case of Jesus if there were primary sources you could ,should, subject them to the same critical consideration. It is how the pieces of evidence fit together that matter.

There is good secondary evidence of Jesus. The New Testament, the existence of the Catholic, Orthodox, and Coptic churches, and The body of second and third century writing discussing the received tradition form an interrelated network of events pointing back to Jesus.People who wish not to believe in Jesus create a misdirection by pointing to what people who never heard of Jesus had to say about him (very little)

[Guest]

So there's no more to say about the OP, then?

The whiny ass bitch KevinSim successfully derailed the thread.
I predict he will continue to do so.

there have been a couple of handfuls of post connected to the subject matter, a river of post about something else. I do not know what.