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Psalm 24:1-10 A song of David
The earth and everything in it exists for the Lord.

Actually, he established it upon the seas, he set it upon deep waters.

Who can climb a mountain to God? Who may stand in his presence?

The one who has innocent hands and a pure heart; a person who does not enjoy falsehood and does not swear an oath deceitfully.

Such a person will gain a blessing from the Lord, and righteousness from the God who saves him.

This is of a generation that seeks Him. Those who wish to comprehend Him are the true seed of Jacob. Forever!

Gates! See who is coming! Open wide gates long closed! So the Christ/Messiah/King of Glory may come in.

Who is the King of Glory? The Lord strong and mighty ---- mighty at war.

Gate! See who is here! Open wide gates so long closed! So the Christ/Messiah/King of Glory may come in.

Who is the King of Glory? The Lord of the heavenly armies— He is the King of Glory. Forever!

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 A Psalm of David. To Jehovah [is] the earth and its fulness, The world and the inhabitants in it.

2 For He on the seas hath founded it, And on the floods He doth establish it.

3 Who goeth up into the hill of Jehovah? And who riseth up in His holy place?

4 The clean of hands, and pure of heart, Who hath not lifted up to vanity his soul, Nor hath sworn to deceit.

5 He beareth away a blessing from Jehovah, Righteousness from the God of his salvation.

6 This [is] a generation of those seeking Him. Seeking Thy face, O Jacob! Selah.

7 Lift up, O gates, your heads, And be lifted up, O doors age-during, And come in doth the king of glory!

8 Who [is] this -- `the king of glory?' Jehovah -- strong and mighty, Jehovah, the mighty in battle.

9 Lift up, O gates, your heads, And be lifted up, O doors age-during, And come in doth the king of glory!

10 Who [is] He -- this `king of glory?' Jehovah of hosts -- He [is] the king of glory! Selah.

[_huckelberry]

Hi ceeboo,

People think dinosaurs died out long ago because we do not find recent ones. If that changed then people would be curious as to which ones survived where. Evolution does not require that ancient species disappear altogether they just often appear to have done so.

Hey huck!

You're confusing me.

I thought you suggested that if it was accurate that human bones and dinosaurs bones were found together - it would not be any evidence that the world is less than millions of years old. (Did I misunderstand you?) I don't know why you bring up evolution in this post?

As far as I know, the most recent study suggests that dinosaurs went extinct 65.95 million years ago (give or take 40,000 years)

What am I missing from your posts?

Thanks and peace,
Ceeboo

Hi Ceeboo, Reconsidering I think I oversimplified the matter which made it unclear. Sorry, Hurried I did not identify which reference I was thinking of. Today I reviewed your reference and the sites Nipper provided links to. I still do not remember which I was thinking of. Nipper supplied several candidates with little actual detail about what was going on. I remember some years ago there there was a fuss about some tracks in a Texas riverbed ,sandstone, which showed both what appeared to be human and big lizard steps.

I am very skeptical of reports of human and dinosaurs intermingled. It goes against such a mountain of contrary information it would require great care and study to show what has really been found and what did it meant.

I would suspect first fossils from different sources and times had become intermingled. Other possibilities perhaps what is called dinosaur has been misidentified. or perhaps modern similar creature is considered. Perhaps a sandstone layer called ancient is in fact not. There are a variety of ways that rocks may become jumbled.

Sure an unexpected find is interesting but to make any sense of it it must be studied how it fits with the larger picture.

[_LittleNipper]

Hey huck!

You're confusing me.

I thought you suggested that if it was accurate that human bones and dinosaurs bones were found together - it would not be any evidence that the world is less than millions of years old. (Did I misunderstand you?) I don't know why you bring up evolution in this post?

As far as I know, the most recent study suggests that dinosaurs went extinct 65.95 million years ago (give or take 40,000 years)

What am I missing from your posts?

Thanks and peace,
Ceeboo

Hi Ceeboo, Reconsidering I think I oversimplified the matter which made it unclear. Sorry, Hurried I did not identify which reference I was thinking of. Today I reviewed your reference and the sites Nipper provided links to. I still do not remember which I was thinking of. Nipper supplied several candidates with little actual detail about what was going on. I remember some years ago there there was a fuss about some tracks in a Texas riverbed ,sandstone, which showed both what appeared to be human and big lizard steps.

I am very skeptical of reports of human and dinosaurs intermingled. It goes against such a mountain of contrary information it would require great care and study to show what has really been found and what did it meant.

I would suspect first fossils from different sources and times had become intermingled. Other possibilities perhaps what is called dinosaur has been misidentified. or perhaps modern similar creature is considered. Perhaps a sandstone layer called ancient is in fact not. There are a variety of ways that rocks may become jumbled.

Sure an unexpected find is interesting but to make any sense of it it must be studied how it fits with the larger picture.

It must be realized that evolutionists/uniformitarians are just as likely to be bias as those they may claim to be bias. In fact I feel that creationists are even more likely to view such anomalies from various perspectives --- INCLUDING what is biblical and not excluding the biblical simply because it implicates the divine. Creationists understand man made theory but also perceive divine revelation.

[_LittleNipper]

Psalm 25:1-22
In you, Lord my God, I place trust.

I trust you; do not let me be embarrassed, or let my enemies win.

No one whose hope relies on you will ever be shamed --- shame will come to those who are crafty without cause.

Show me what you want Lord, train me in your directions.

Guide me with truth and teach me, for you are God my Savior, and my hope remains in you throughout the day.

Remember, Lord, your important mercy and love, for they always existed.

Do not remember the evil things I did when young and my rebellious thoughts & deeds: through your love remember me, for God is good.

Good and straight is the Lord; therefore he trains sinners concerning His ways.

He guides the humble in what is correct and trains them his way.

All God's various angles are loving and faithful regarding those keeping the demands of his covenant.

For the sake of your name, Lord, forgive my immorality, though it is great.

Who, then, are those who fear the Lord? He will instruct them in the ways they should select.

They will spend their days prosperous ---- their descendants will inherit the land.

The Lord confides in those who fear him; He reveals his covenant to them.

My eyes are always upon God, for only he will set me free from the traps of life.

Face me and be gracious to me, for I am alone and hurting.

Relieve the problems I face and free me from anxiety.

Look on my wounds and my anxiety and remove all my sins.

See how many enemies I'm stuck with and how perseveringly they hate me!

Guard my life and rescue me; do not let me be put to shame, for I hide behind you.

May integrity and uprightness protect me, because my only hope is You, Lord.

Deliver Israel, O God,
from all their troubles!


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 By David. Unto Thee, O Jehovah, my soul I lift up.

2 My God, in Thee I have trusted, Let me not be ashamed, Let not mine enemies exult over me.

3 Also let none waiting on Thee be ashamed, Let the treacherous dealers without cause be ashamed.

4 Thy ways, O Jehovah, cause me to know, Thy paths teach Thou me.

5 Cause me to tread in Thy truth, and teach me, For Thou [art] the God of my salvation, Near Thee I have waited all the day.

6 Remember Thy mercies, O Jehovah, And Thy kindnesses, for from the age [are] they.

7 Sins of my youth, and my transgressions, Do not Thou remember. According to Thy kindness be mindful of me, For Thy goodness' sake, O Jehovah.

8 Good and upright [is] Jehovah, Therefore He directeth sinners in the way.

9 He causeth the humble to tread in judgment, And teacheth the humble His way.

10 All the paths of Jehovah [are] kindness and truth, To those keeping His covenant, And His testimonies.

11 For Thy name's sake, O Jehovah, Thou hast pardoned mine iniquity, for it [is] great.

12 Who [is] this -- the man fearing Jehovah? He directeth him in the way He doth choose.

13 His soul in good doth remain, And his seed doth possess the land.

14 The secret of Jehovah [is] for those fearing Him, And His covenant -- to cause them to know.

15 Mine eyes [are] continually unto Jehovah, For He bringeth out from a net my feet.

16 Turn Thou unto me, and favour me, For lonely and afflicted [am] I.

17 The distresses of my heart have enlarged themselves, From my distresses bring me out.

18 See mine affliction and my misery, And bear with all my sins.

19 See my enemies, for they have been many, And with violent hatred they have hated me.

20 Keep my soul, and deliver me, Let me not be ashamed, for I trusted in Thee.

21 Integrity and uprightness do keep me, For I have waited [on] Thee.

22 Redeem Israel, O God, from all his distresses!

[_huckelberry]

Sure an unexpected find is interesting but to make any sense of it it must be studied how it fits with the larger picture.

It must be realized that evolutionists/uniformitarians are just as likely to be bias as those they may claim to be bias. In fact I feel that creationists are even more likely to view such anomalies from various perspectives --- INCLUDING what is biblical and not excluding the biblical simply because it implicates the divine. Creationists understand man made theory but also perceive divine revelation.

Nipper, I do not wish to be flippant about your concern.
Why would I, a believer in God ,creation, and Jesus Christ, want to exclude the Biblical simply because it implicates the divine? I value the Bible because it invites and leads us on a path to learn of God.

I do believe the beauty and richness of the real millions of year old creation implicates the divine. It too helps us learn of God.

Uniformitarianism sees that God created an orderly universe which invites us to understand and use our responsibiity to use that understanding as part of our labor to make a good life to honor God. God did not make a bunch of tricks and confusion to discourage us from learning.

[_ludwigm]

We had a little intermezzo here above.

1.
I present three other to relax (3-4 minutes one, if You have that time)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeiEgdnvybM (if You like piano)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OvsVSWB4TI (if You like the orchestra)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIQ2D6AIys8 (If You prefer pictures --- things I don't have)


2. I hope moderators are watching the text here, as my pictures anywhere. Just saying.

[_LittleNipper]

It must be realized that evolutionists/uniformitarians are just as likely to be bias as those they may claim to be bias. In fact I feel that creationists are even more likely to view such anomalies from various perspectives --- INCLUDING what is biblical and not excluding the biblical simply because it implicates the divine. Creationists understand man made theory but also perceive divine revelation.

Nipper, I do not wish to be flippant about your concern.
Why would I, a believer in God ,creation, and Jesus Christ, want to exclude the Biblical simply because it implicates the divine? I value the Bible because it invites and leads us on a path to learn of God.

I do believe the beauty and richness of the real millions of year old creation implicates the divine. It too helps us learn of God.

Uniformitarianism sees that God created an orderly universe which invites us to understand and use our responsibiity to use that understanding as part of our labor to make a good life to honor God. God did not make a bunch of tricks and confusion to discourage us from learning.

I do not wish to seem backward and naïve as far as "science is concerned; however, if God created rock, and we both seem to admit to that, do you not perceive that initially that God spoke and there was rock! What would be the point of dragging out creation over billions of years, if that creation was primarily to achieve Adam and Eve? So, since God created rock, and if a scientist could have then examined that rock, what makes you so positive that the composition would not appear to the scientist as millions and millions of years in the formation of that rock.

I add to this humble lessen the concern that a flood, the magnitude of NOAH's FLOOD would mix and stir minerals, animals and chemicals up and this would not unreasonably cause layering and impregnation of virgin rock and the formation of sedimentary rock. The seemingly ancient rock and mineral would form a disguise for Satan to cause many to come to the belief that the world was indeed older than it really was and that the fossils formed were earlier than they actually were. And Satan would be very self-assured having confused man into believing that (A) the Bible was not entirely truthful and (B) eventually coming to a point of leaving God out of the creative process entirely.

So, while you as a believer seem to still believe in a God, you are a believer that maybe helping the world rest secure in unbelief. Creationists on the other hand may be laughed at; however, I am sure that they do not make Uniformitarians and Evolutionists entirely comfortable. There is the realization that Uniformitarians and evolutionists have left something out and that something is what Creationists and Christians keep reminding them about.

[_Ceeboo]

Hi Ceeboo,

Hey Huck!

Reconsidering I think I oversimplified the matter which made it unclear. Sorry,

No worries, friend!

Hurried I did not identify which reference I was thinking of. Today I reviewed your reference and the sites Nipper provided links to. I still do not remember which I was thinking of. Nipper supplied several candidates with little actual detail about what was going on. I remember some years ago there there was a fuss about some tracks in a Texas riverbed ,sandstone, which showed both what appeared to be human and big lizard steps.

I am very skeptical of reports of human and dinosaurs intermingled. It goes against such a mountain of contrary information it would require great care and study to show what has really been found and what did it meant.

I would suspect first fossils from different sources and times had become intermingled. Other possibilities perhaps what is called dinosaur has been misidentified. or perhaps modern similar creature is considered. Perhaps a sandstone layer called ancient is in fact not. There are a variety of ways that rocks may become jumbled.

Sure an unexpected find is interesting but to make any sense of it it must be studied how it fits with the larger picture.

I understand.

Thanks for the clarification.

Pece,
Ceeboo

[_The Erotic Apologist]

It must be realized that evolutionists/uniformitarians are just as likely to be bias as those they may claim to be bias.

Nope--the links you posted have more to do with blatant fraud and misrepresentation than with bias. Take the so-called "Malachite Man" for example:

http://www.discoverynews.us/DISCOVERY%2 ... trata.html

This link (above) is essentially a fraudulent attempt to misrepresent a ca. 200-year-old Indian burial as an antediluvian artifact. Moreover, at least two of the other links LittleNipper posted cite the work of Dr. Carl Baugh, a known liar and fraudster whose works have been criticized by his fellow creationists.

These are further examples of how certain Christians propagate their beliefs through fraud and deception.

In fact I feel that creationists are even more likely to view such anomalies from various perspectives --- INCLUDING what is biblical and not excluding the biblical simply because it implicates the divine.

In other words, your conclusions are based primarily on your personal feelings.

Creationists understand man made theory but also perceive divine revelation.

Nope--"divine revelation" cannot be perceived; it can only be presupposed. In other words, it's a matter of faith and belief, not of empirical observation. To say otherwise is to misrepresent your faith and beliefs as observable facts.

[_LittleNipper]

It must be realized that evolutionists/uniformitarians are just as likely to be bias as those they may claim to be bias.

Nope--the links you posted have more to do with blatant fraud and misrepresentation than with bias. Take the so-called "Malachite Man" for example:

http://www.discoverynews.us/DISCOVERY%2 ... trata.html

This link (above) is essentially a fraudulent attempt to misrepresent a ca. 200-year-old Indian burial as an antediluvian artifact. Moreover, at least two of the other links LittleNipper posted cite the work of Dr. Carl Baugh, a known liar and fraudster whose works have been criticized by his fellow creationists.

These are further examples of how certain Christians propagate their beliefs through fraud and deception.

In fact I feel that creationists are even more likely to view such anomalies from various perspectives --- INCLUDING what is biblical and not excluding the biblical simply because it implicates the divine.

In other words, your conclusions are based primarily on your personal feelings.

Creationists understand man made theory but also perceive divine revelation.

Nope--"divine revelation" cannot be perceived; it can only be presupposed. In other words, it's a matter of faith and belief, not of empirical observation. To say otherwise is to misrepresent your faith and beliefs as observable facts.

Your opinions and values are not proven simply because you say he said, she said.... I feel you are wrong. There are no pending lawsuits. There are no rebuttals of the science investigation as presented by the creationists. A person can be a said to be a good scientist without attending secular institutions. If that is not the case then why is Darwin even spoken of with many others? Is it because of bias among evolutionists and uniformitarians? Accept evolution and you pass the course?