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_The Erotic Apologist
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LittleNipper wrote:God was providing a lessen for humans to follow.
You're worshiping the wrong deity, Nipper. Yahweh is not the one true supreme ruler of heaven--that would be the Jade Emperor (玉帝):

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LittleNipper wrote:Just as God worked for 6 days to create everything, He rested on the seventh day.
No--the Jade Emperor (玉帝) did not create the earth. According to the Dau Ywan (道原), the heavens and the Earth emerged from a gravitational singularity many ages before the Jade Emperor (玉帝) ascended the throne of Heaven.

The Jade Emperor (玉帝) was once a man like you and I, but through good works, propriety, filial piety, and classical Chinese Scholarship, he attained immortality and thus ascended the throne of heaven.


LittleNipper wrote:Did you never wonder why there exists a 7 day week almost everywhere? Why not a 10 day week, or a 4 day week. Why a week at all? Just like (male/female) marriage, GOD established that week. Man was to work 6 days and rest on the seventh. The day of rest was designed for man and not man for the day of rest.
No-- the Dau Ywan (道原) says nothing about a Sabbath or a day of rest. These are the barbaric customs of the uncivilized nomads of East Asia!


LittleNipper wrote:God didn't deliberately make things appear to be billions of years old. However, God may have presented the Universe and its vastness as a(sic) illustration of Himself for Adam.
Sorry--there's nothing in the Dau Ywan (道原) that says the universe is only a few thousand years old. Only a savage tribesman from the Middle East would believe such nonsense!


LittleNipper wrote:If someone wishes to formulate a "natural" reason for everything that exists to exist, then that individual is likely being unfair to God while lying to himself and fabricating his own pretentious theories.
On the contrary, the Dau Ywan's cosmogeny describes the Earth and the Heavens emerging from a gravitational singularity. These teachings are in perfect harmony with modern science. Only a barbarian would believe it necessary to distort science to make it conform to his ignorant beliefs!


LittleNipper wrote:God established nature for man. He didn't create man for nature.
No--it was Pangu (盤古)who brought forth the Earth and the Heavens from a gravitational singularity by splitting the forces of yin and yang. As you can see from his portrait, Pangu (盤古)is a thoroughly foul and detestable creature:

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LittleNipper wrote:God certainly would not hold anyone to sins they never actually committed and that He himself manufactured.
Except for when he punishes the children and the children's children for the sins of their fathers--but only a savage tribesman would believe something so ridiculous!

The reason why you are so troubled and confused by these savage myths is that you have been blinded by the evil wiles of Lopan:

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huckelberry wrote:Nipper asks,
"Did you never wonder why there exists a 7 day week almost everywhere? Why not a 10 day week, or a 4 day week. Why a week at all? "

I am fairly sure the reason is because 4 times 7 is 28. If that does not make it quite clear consider it a riddle about things in the sky.


A woman's menstrual periods? Another hint.
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Psalm 28:1-9 A song of David

I cry to you God, O Lord my Rock, do not ignore my pleas. If you do I will die.

Hear my pleading to You for assistance, lifting my hands toward the Holy of Holies.

Drag me not away with the wicked --- the workers of iniquity, who speak peace with their neighbors, but malice and mischief are in their hearts.

Repay them according to their work and according to their evil works; repay them according to the things they do; render to them what they deserve.

Because they ignored the works of the Lord and the works of His hands, He will tear them down and leave them in ruins.

Blessed is the Lord, because He heard my begging.

The Lord is my Strength and [impenetrable] Shield; my heart trusts in, relies on, and confidently leans on Him, and I am helped. This gladdens my heart, and with my psalm will I praise Him.

The Lord is their power and fortress of salvation for His chosen. Save Your chosen and bless this heritage; feed, shepherd, and carry them forever.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 By David. Unto Thee, O Jehovah, I call, My rock, be not silent to me! Lest Thou be silent to me, And I have been compared With those going down to the pit.

2 Hear the voice of my supplications, In my crying unto Thee, In my lifting up my hands toward thy holy oracle.

3 Draw me not with the wicked, And with workers of iniquity, Speaking peace with their neighbours, And evil in their heart.

4 Give to them according to their acting, And according to the evil of their doings. According to the work of their hands give to them. Return their deed to them.

5 For they attend not to the doing of Jehovah, And unto the work of His hands. He throweth them down, And doth not build them up.

6 Blessed [is] Jehovah, For He hath heard the voice of my supplications.

7 Jehovah [is] my strength, and my shield, In Him my heart trusted, and I have been helped. And my heart exulteth, And with my song I thank Him.

8 Jehovah [is] strength to him, Yea, the strength of the salvation of His anointed [is] He.

9 Save Thy people, and bless Thine inheritance, And feed them, and carry them to the age!
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sometimes I feel like a motherless child.

Nipper states we all come from a pair of motherless children.That would explain some things. Our race has no mom to teach us our table manners.(and how to treat our siblings)
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Quasimodo wrote:
huckelberry wrote:Nipper asks,
"Did you never wonder why there exists a 7 day week almost everywhere? Why not a 10 day week, or a 4 day week. Why a week at all? "

I am fairly sure the reason is because 4 times 7 is 28. If that does not make it quite clear consider it a riddle about things in the sky.
A woman's menstrual periods? Another hint.

It fits to the moon period as well.

Somewhere in the literature (I will search it...) I've read "her moon was filled in" (or something similar --- I've read it in Hungarian).
My next task is to find the source...

by the way
My vote is for seven planet known by babylonians.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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ludwigm wrote:by the way
My vote is for seven planet known by babylonians.

I concur. This is strongly reinforced by the historical fact that each of the 7 days of the week was named after one of those seven planets known to the ancients, as you already pointed out, each of which they associated with one of the gods in their pantheon, which varied from culture to culture, as you also pointed out. This makes far more sense than LittleNipper's hypothesis.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.

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LittleNipper asked:
What would be the point of dragging out creation over billions of years, if that creation was primarily to achieve Adam and Eve?

I can think of nothing sillier than the very idea that the primary purpose of the creation of this incredibly vast universe was to achieve Adam and Eve on this comparatively, infinitesimally tiny and insignificant speck that we call Earth! What incredible arrogance and hubris!
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.

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Nothing is too much for God. Look at it this way: The Sistine Chapel ceiling took about 4 whole years for Michelangelo to paint ---- when it could've just as well have been simply whitewashed. God worked for a mere 6 days on the entire Universe and what is that to Him? And He provided for us a far more spectacular ceiling than ever could Michelangelo. Yet, still it seems that skeptics abound who dare point up at the work of an artist and say, "This is just a product of chance. Give an ape a pallet and a brush and he too could paint a comparable ceiling to that of Michelangelo."
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ludwigm wrote:
huckelberry wrote:Nipper asks,
"Did you never wonder why there exists a 7 day week almost everywhere? Why not a 10 day week, or a 4 day week. Why a week at all? "

I am fairly sure the reason is because 4 times 7 is 28. If that does not make it quite clear consider it a riddle about things in the sky.
Quasimodo added,"A woman's menstrual periods? Another hint."

It fits to the moon period as well.

Somewhere in the literature (I will search it...) I've read "her moon was filled in" (or something similar --- I've read it in Hungarian).
My next task is to find the source...

by the way
My vote is for seven planet known by babylonians.

Ludwigm,
I was first thinking of phases of the moon but that that is only an approximate comparison. The actual lunar cycle, 29 and a fraction days is awkward to divide into simple parts. I suspect you are correct about what was the deciding factor for seven day weeks. In any case people have been fiddling around with calendar methods since well before the Bible was written.For keeping track of time the moon is nice and regular and easily visible, It does not quite fit days or years so some sort of compromise must be come up with.
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LittleNipper wrote:This everyone who considers GOD must conclude: That at the very least GOD has the power to create anything He wishes in the blink of an eye. If one cannot move beyond this, he is placing a "god" in a box of his own imagination and setting artificial limitations on THE CREATOR GOD.
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To this Gunnar asked,
"Why did he feel a need to deliberately make it look like it took billions of years if he wanted us to believe that it only happened 6,000 years ago?"
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Nipper replied,

God didn't deliberately make things appear to be billions of years old. However, God may have presented the Universe and its vastness as a illustration of Himself for Adam. If someone wishes to formulate a "natural" reason for everything that exists to exist, then that individual is likely being unfair to God while lying to himself and fabricating his own pretentious theories.



Choosing one question at a time, If God didn't deliberately make things appear billions of years old then why is the illusion that the world is very old so complete? Why create all the different layers and portions of rock formation and rock removal to describe multiple ages of the earth when one flood and one set of rocks would do?

I can understand the idea of the vastness of the universe being a creation to reflect Gods glory. A great swath of time fits vast dimension and also would reflect Gods glory. Why run from the possiblity that God wants us to see something of himself therein? I see as of yet no reason to deny the real existence of vast time beyond an insistence that use of days in the Genesis account be read as 24 hr time periods instead of representations of a larger process. If the evidence of reality said young earth I have no trouble with Gods ability to do that. I think God has the right to choose what time frame would be appropriate to his revelation of his glory however.
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