ldsfaqs wrote:1. Actually, the Book of Mormon is clear that everyone non-Nephite were called Lamanites, including many who were called other names. Lamanite is the Book of Mormon's version of the Bibles Gentile.
2. Read the links I posted. They address this question, showing the verses etc..
Which links? I read through a couple and didn't address this issue.
Jacob 1 13 Now the people which were not Lamanites were Nephites; nevertheless, they were called Nephites, Jacobites, Josephites, Zoramites, Lamanites, Lemuelites, and Ishmaelites.
14 But I, Jacob, shall not hereafter distinguish them by these names, but I shall call them Lamanites that seek to destroy the people of Nephi, and those who are friendly to Nephi I shall call Nephites, or the people of Nephi, according to the reigns of the kings.
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ldsfaqs wrote:Don't know what you're gibbering about "Gods wrath" on the natives, no such thing in the Book of Mormon. We have ZERO teachings that natives were "whipped out" for the chosen people.... etc. You're just making crap up. In fact, you go on and on with this fantasy of us punishing innocent, blah blah. Wow, get a clue, you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
tapirrider wrote: What does 1 Nephi 13:12 through 15 mean to you?
12 And I looked and beheld a man among the Gentiles, who was separated from the seed of my brethren by the many waters; and I beheld the Spirit of God, that it came down and wrought upon the man; and he went forth upon the many waters, even unto the seed of my brethren, who were in the promised land.
13 And it came to pass that I beheld the Spirit of God, that it wrought upon other Gentiles; and they went forth out of captivity, upon the many waters.
14 And it came to pass that I beheld many multitudes of the Gentiles upon the land of promise; and I beheld the wrath of God, that it was upon the seed of my brethren; and they were scattered before the Gentiles and were smitten.
15 And I beheld the Spirit of the Lord, that it was upon the Gentiles, and they did prosper and obtain the land for their inheritance; and I beheld that they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people before they were slain.
ldsfaqs wrote: Easy....
The seed of Nephi's brethren had gone the way of paganism and otherwise, a righteous seed came along, and thus they were scattered and destroyed, making way for this new generation.
So you admit "Gods wrath on the natives" is in the Book of Mormon after you said it wasn't. What the hell is the matter with you?
Jacob 1 13 Now the people which were not Lamanites were Nephites; nevertheless, they were called Nephites, Jacobites, Josephites, Zoramites, Lamanites, Lemuelites, and Ishmaelites.
14 But I, Jacob, shall not hereafter distinguish them by these names, but I shall call them Lamanites that seek to destroy the people of Nephi, and those who are friendly to Nephi I shall call Nephites, or the people of Nephi, according to the reigns of the kings.
That doesn't answer my question. I'll repeat.
Book of Mormon is clear all non-Nephites that came on the boat with Lehi were called Lamanites. Where does it say there were Others who are called Lamanites?
ldsfaqs wrote: 1. First of all, you create a strawman. They were sent to a promised land, they weren't necessarily were sent to "conquer" it in total. They clearly took over the highlands while the Philistines etc. had control of the lowlands, and it is clear that it wasn't a total conquest, but one of mingling also with those of Canaan. So, your representation of the history is a bit false.
Not sure why I am bothering, but the archeological record clearly shows that no Israelites were "sent" to conquer the Canaanites. No mass conquest at one time took place when and where it was supposed to happen. What happened is the Canannites, over a period or several hundred years, evolved into the Israelites. There was no Exodus, no Moses, no 40 years of wandering by millions of displaced Jews and so on.
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3. The verses saying ZERO about the entire American Continent, that's reading into the text, not what the text states.
And I have already shown in a Post on this Thread that both John Sorenson and Jeff Lindsay are guilty of eisegesis (reading a meaning into the text), as opposed to exegesis (drawing the meaning out of the text). Yet, you have not addressed that post of mine here. Here is part of that post again:
The LDS Apologist Lindsay has stated:
For example, 2 Nephi 5:5,6 lists people in Lehi's group who went with Nephi as he split from Laman and Lemuel and their followers. Nephi lists his family, Sam and his family, Zoram and his family, Jacob and Joseph, his sisters, "and all those who would go with me." He then explains that "all those who would go with me were those who believed in the warnings and revelations of God; wherefore, they did hearken unto my words" (2 Nephi 5:6). It appears that Laman, Lemuel, and the sons of Ishmael, who had been antagonistic to Nephi, are those left behind. The group of unnamed "others" seems by necessity to have included people other than those who came with Nephi from Jerusalem. If there were only one or two others, we would expect Nephi to list them. It's hard to say how many there might have been, but perhaps members of a local hamlet or group of hamlets may have allied with the technologically superior Old World group, helping the latter to learn how to survive in the New World while benefiting from their technology (particularly knowledge of metals).
However, there were Not any "members of a local hamlet" that joined with the people of Nephi. All we really need to do to find out that there were not "members of a local hamlet" that joined with the people of Nephi is just go to the next Chapter in the Book of Mormon. Here is 2nd Nephi Chapter 6 verses 2 and 5:
[2] Behold, my beloved brethren, I, Jacob, having been called of God, and ordained after the manner of his holy order, and having been consecrated by my brother Nephi, unto whom ye look as a king or a protector, and on whom ye depend for safety, behold ye know that I have spoken unto you exceedingly many things.
[5] And now, the words which I shall read are they which Isaiah spake concerning all the house of Israel; wherefore, they may be likened unto you, for ye are of the house of Israel. And there are many things which have been spoken by Isaiah which may be likened unto you, because ye are of the house of Israel.
There would Not have been a group of Non-Israelites that joined with the Nephites in 2nd Nephi Chapter five verses five and six, because the Book of Mormon Character Jacob referred to the Nephites as being of the House of Israel in 2nd Nephi Chapter six verse five. Plus then we have the Book of Mormon Character Jacob referring to his people, the Nephites, as "being a lonesome and a solemn people, wanderers, cast out from Jerusalem" towards the end of his life in Jacob Chapter seven verse 26.
The word "lonesome" is not found within the King James Version of the Bible. - Link However, The Book of Mormon Character Jacob referred to his people, the Nephites, as "being a lonesome and a solemn people" towards the end of his life in Jacob Chapter seven verse 26. Why would Jacob do this if there were "others" among the Nephites???
Jacob 7:
[26] And it came to pass that I, Jacob, began to be old; and the record of this people being kept on the other plates of Nephi, wherefore, I conclude this record, declaring that I have written according to the best of my knowledge, by saying that the time passed away with us, and also our lives passed away like as it were unto us a dream, we being a lonesome and a solemn people, wanderers, cast out from Jerusalem, born in tribulation, in a wilderness, and hated of our brethren, which caused wars and contentions; wherefore, we did mourn out our days.
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The Jewish promised land in the Bible was also "unto themselves", but both the Bible and history says they weren't alone. Thus, "unto themselves" clearly isn't being said in such a STRICT interpretation you are putting onto the words.
The Phrase "unto themselves" does not appear within the King James Version of the Bible until Joshua Chapter 8. The "Phrase "unto themselves" appears two times within the Book of Joshua in the King James Version of the Bible. Here are these two passages:
Joshua 8:27 (KJV)
27 Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the Lord which he commanded Joshua.
Joshua 11:14 (KJV)
14 And all the spoil of these cities, and the cattle, the children of Israel took for a prey unto themselves; but every man they smote with the edge of the sword, until they had destroyed them, neither left they any to breathe.
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The seed of Nephi's brethren had gone the way of paganism and otherwise, a righteous seed came along, and thus they were scattered and destroyed, making way for this new generation.
So you admit "Gods wrath on the natives" is in the Book of Mormon after you said it wasn't. What the hell is the matter with you?
No, just that it's not your race baiting and "evil" was done here rant. Lot's of people are destroyed in scripture, it's nothing new.
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The seed of Nephi's brethren had gone the way of paganism and otherwise, a righteous seed came along, and thus they were scattered and destroyed, making way for this new generation.
tapirrider wrote:So you admit "Gods wrath on the natives" is in the Book of Mormon after you said it wasn't. What the hell is the matter with you?
ldsfaqs wrote:No, just that it's not your race baiting and "evil" was done here rant. Lot's of people are destroyed in scripture, it's nothing new.
You said "Don't know what you're gibbering about "Gods wrath" on the natives, no such thing in the Book of Mormon." I showed you that you were telling a falsehood and gave you the scriptures in your Book of Mormon. Now you call me a "race baiter" as if that gets you off the hook. It doesn't.
In the Book of Mormon I read in many places were people of the original landing parties or descendants thereof are being taught the gospel and being converted. These actions are fairly important to the story line. If I am to believe that there were "others" there shouldn't there at least be one sentence in the book describing the teaching and converting these "others"?