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moksha wrote:
Quasimodo wrote: http://www.Demonbusters.com


This is part of a malware riddled world. Click there at your own peril.


I'm sorry, moksha, if something bad happened to you from this link. It was so poorly executed that the idea that the designer would be bright enough to embed a malware virus didn't occur to me.

I have some fairly sophisticated protection programs and they didn't ring any bells when I visited the site.

I don't think it's malicious, just very amateurishly done.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.

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Luke346 wrote:You can't make demons not real by not believing in them...

You just have to get to the point where you are in control of you, not addictions or pessimism or synicism or the list goes on and on...

It is interesting noone has figured out the real secret within that post/website...

Forgiveness and the power of the spoken word in right relationship to Creator...


And this is what God meant when He gave His church over to the "buffeting of satan"...


When Christ gave His church over to the the buffeting of satan, He was allowing the people to continue their free will belief in the existence of a "satan". It was their belief that a "satan" was responsible for "evil"; while "God" was their belief in who was responsible for "good". Because they believed in an evil entity known as satan who was responsible for evil, Christ, thus merely allowed them to keep believing what they believed. He did not force them to change their beliefs.

There is no such thing as "satan". However, to get out of the belief in satan...which automatically causes us to believe in the buffeting of such an entity, one MUST "follow" the "spirit of Christ/spirit of truth" that is already inside of us. That connection to the Holy Spirit...thus being able to accept what Christ was trying to teach us...will automatically release us from the belief in an outside source which causes evil; likewise, releasing us from the belief in an outside source which causes good.

Our minds are very powerful; we can cause ourselves to believe anything we want to believe. If we believe hard enough in satan, we can imagine all kinds of encounters with such an entity. Likewise, with "God". Christ tried to teach that the kingdom of God, however, can be found within us...that is where---from within---that we are able to allow our minds to connect with what is really going on here. That part of our brain (which we recognize as our mind) which connects to the "Holy Spirit", actually connects us with our greater self. The greater power outside of us which has created our world, which our natural man self tries to identify as some nebulous, all powerful, omnipotent, "God", is not the "entity" we have imagined. Christ was trying to teach us how to find out WHO that entity...who the "Father"...really is.
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Luke346 wrote:You can't make demons not real by not believing in them...


But you CAN make them "real" if you DO believe in them...at least "real" enough that the natural man self who believes in satan will be distracted from being able to find the real truth.
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The more i read your thoughts, the more respect i have for you...i believe you are on the right path, it just seems you have matured your "glory" in a literature world only, not in a hands on street type education...my only worry is that your mentality may get to the point where you phase God out from the truth...maybe what you know is not completely in your heart yet because i don't think you have experienced what is to be experienced when one overcomes.. Something about a tree...do you know what it feels like...?
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Jesus Sends Out the Seventy-Two

Luke 10 verse 1 to verse 21

After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go. 2 He told them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field. 3 Go! I am sending you out like lambs among wolves. 4 Do not take a purse or bag or sandals; and do not greet anyone on the road.

5 “When you enter a house, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ 6 If someone who promotes peace is there, your peace will rest on them; if not, it will return to you. 7 Stay there, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.

8 “When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is offered to you. 9 Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ 10 But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, 11 ‘Even the dust of your town we wipe from our feet as a warning to you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God has come near.’ 12 I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.

13 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. 14 But it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you. 15 And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades.[b]

16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”

18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”

21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
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Little Nipper, here is an alternative:

Lambs in a Wolf Pack

10 1-2 Later the Master selected seventy and sent them ahead of him in pairs to every town and place where he intended to go. He gave them this charge:

“What a huge harvest! And how few the harvest hands. So on your knees; ask the God of the Harvest to send harvest hands.

3 “On your way! But be careful—this is hazardous work. You’re like lambs in a wolf pack.

4 “Travel light. Comb and toothbrush and no extra luggage.

“Don’t loiter and make small talk with everyone you meet along the way.

5-6 “When you enter a home, greet the family, ‘Peace.’ If your greeting is received, then it’s a good place to stay. But if it’s not received, take it back and get out. Don’t impose yourself.

7 “Stay at one home, taking your meals there, for a worker deserves three square meals. Don’t move from house to house, looking for the best cook in town.

8-9 “When you enter a town and are received, eat what they set before you, heal anyone who is sick, and tell them, ‘God’s kingdom is right on your doorstep!’

10-12 “When you enter a town and are not received, go out in the street and say, ‘The only thing we got from you is the dirt on our feet, and we’re giving it back. Did you have any idea that God’s kingdom was right on your doorstep?’ Sodom will have it better on Judgment Day than the town that rejects you.

13-14 “Doom, Chorazin! Doom, Bethsaida! If Tyre and Sidon had been given half the chances given you, they’d have been on their knees long ago, repenting and crying for mercy. Tyre and Sidon will have it easy on Judgment Day compared to you.

15 “And you, Capernaum! Do you think you’re about to be promoted to heaven? Think again. You’re on a mudslide to hell.

16 “The one who listens to you, listens to me. The one who rejects you, rejects me. And rejecting me is the same as rejecting God, who sent me.”

17 The seventy came back triumphant. “Master, even the demons danced to your tune!”

18-20 Jesus said, “I know. I saw Satan fall, a bolt of lightning out of the sky. See what I’ve given you? Safe passage as you walk on snakes and scorpions, and protection from every assault of the Enemy. No one can put a hand on you. All the same, the great triumph is not in your authority over evil, but in God’s authority over you and presence with you. Not what you do for God but what God does for you—that’s the agenda for rejoicing.”

21 At that, Jesus rejoiced, exuberant in the Holy Spirit. “I thank you, Father, Master of heaven and earth, that you hid these things from the know-it-alls and showed them to these innocent newcomers. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.
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Luke346 wrote:The more i read your thoughts, the more respect i have for you...i believe you are on the right path, it just seems you have matured your "glory" in a literature world only, not in a hands on street type education...my only worry is that your mentality may get to the point where you phase God out from the truth...maybe what you know is not completely in your heart yet because i don't think you have experienced what is to be experienced when one overcomes.. Something about a tree...do you know what it feels like...?


I have experienced my own "baptism by fire"; at least, that is the closest I can come to in continuing to use the words of "religion" to describe my "journey". Christ never taught religion. However, He did use the words of religion to teach His message. It was the only way He could get the people to even begin to listen to His words, because THAT is where they were....they were coming from the perspective of their religious beliefs. Those stuck inside of religion will unavoidably look at His words THROUGH the eyes of their religious paradigm.

There are many things which Christians believe Christ taught; but by studying His words, we can see that what He said is in major conflict with what Christians think Christ was teaching.

Here are two major discrepancies:

Christianity teaches that Christ finished His work upon the cross. They take His words, "it is finished" and force them to fit into the belief system which misses the mark of what He taught here:

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.


Unless Christ was lying when He said He already finished the work the Father had sent Him to do BEFORE He was taken by the guards, then He MUST have meant something different when He spoke the words, "it is finished" while He hung on the cross.

Here is another:

Christianity teaches us that Christ has already redeemed us. However, THIS is what Christ had to say about our redemption:

Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 ¶And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.


In other words, even though Christianity teaches that Christ has already redeemed us, Christ just said that EVEN AFTER HE RETURNS IN A CLOUD WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY, that our redemption ONLY "DRAWETH NIGH"!!!!! Obviously, if redemption is only drawing nigh, then redemption has NOT yet taken place!!! This, then, also would cause us to ponder what exactly Christ meant as "redemption" versus what Christianity teaches us is "redemption"!!

"Christianity" has no idea who Christ is, or what He was trying to teach us. As such, because they don't know Him, they won't be able to receive the message of who He was trying to tell them about who the Father is. Unless they can believe Him and His message, they will continue to be unable to accept who the Father is.

That said, there is no "right" or "wrong" thing to believe. Christ taught in accordance with already established "religious" beliefs. He didn't interfere with their desires to believe whatever they wanted to believe. He did the work of the Father in that He taught us the words the Father wanted Him to teach. He didn't force anyone to "see and hear"; though He did describe how it would ONLY be those who were able to "see and hear" who would be the ones who would understand Him.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


In other words, Christ just explained how it is that if we know Christ, then we will also know the Father. That is because we have all seen the Father; but until we know/believe/understand what Christ was teaching, we won't be able to realize who the Father is. Anyone who comes along and tries to explain who the Father is will also not be believed. It is NOT about religion!! Christ was trying to teach the real truth. The real truth is plain and simple; but man, in his vanity, would rather cling to their religions and other vain imaginations.

Christianity would have us believe that only those who accept Christ as their savior will be the ones who get "saved". Yet Christ, through His example---living the example of His teachings even up to the point of His physical death---forgave those who were causing His death. Those people who caused His death had never accepted Christ, nor His words, nor had they even asked for forgiveness. This is just another example of Christians teaching something which does not agree with what Christ taught or did.
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you know that parable of the talents..?

He wasn't talking about money, right..?


What is a talent ....?
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Luke346 wrote:you know that parable of the talents..?

He wasn't talking about money, right..?


What is a talent ....?


What do YOU think Christ was trying to teach us with this parable?
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Its how we get our wedding garment, so we can stay at the wedding...

In other words, fruits of the spirit...plus all other attributes...


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