Scientific Prophecy vs. Religious or Biblical Prophecy

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Re: Scientific Prophecy vs. Religious or Biblical Prophecy

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SteelHead wrote:Most of the use of messianic Old Testament prophecies to establish the legitimacy of Jesus consists of partial quotes, taken out of context and stretched to their maximum to make them fit Jesus.

They only all fit the Messiah (the Christ). They don't all fit anyone else.
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Interesting that the Jews would say they don't fit, that Jesus does not fulfill the messianic prophecies, and that the majority of the prophecies you are quoting are out of context when applied to the messiah
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How don't they fit? The Bible clearly says that His own would receive Him not ------- when speaking of the Messiah... Clearly this true! How are they out of context? Was Jesus not born in Bethlehem? Did Herod not cause Rachael to weep? The Jews themselves insisted that the Messiah would bring sight to a blind person who was blind from birth. This was just one of 4 prerequisites that only Jesus fulfilled.

THE FOUR TYPES OF MIRACLES REQUIRED TO BE THE MESSIAH WERE:


1) The Rabbis taught that only the Messiah could heal a leper.


2) The Rabbis taught that only the Messiah could cast out a silent demon.


3) The Rabbis taught that only the Messiah could heal a man born blind.


4) The Rabbis taught that only the Messiah could raise a man from the dead after four days.
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It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.

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SteelHead wrote:http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html?mobile=yes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_a ... c_prophecy


There are prophecies that refer to the Millennial Kingdom which Christ will set up post Tribulation. Non Messianic Jewish girls of age are still seeking to fill Mary's shoes. And the fact is that Jesus has connections to David through Mary and by Joseph. Pagans believed in blood sacrifices and prayer. The simple fact is that Satan works to corrupt EVERYTHING! Satan lies, distorts, and confuses. It is only through the intervention of the Holy Spirit that man is shown the only way and can understand the Bible.

The fact is that the Sadducees and Pharisees of the time of Christ pointed at Jesus saying, "Isn't this man the son of a Nazarene Carpenter?" They clearly didn't believe Jesus was Virgin born. And now you are saying Christ must be born of a man? There are prophecies in the Bible which are yet to be fulfilled. The Messiah has already come to save. The Messiah will rapture His CHURCH. The Messiah will come down to earth along with His saved chosen to lock up Satan and reign 1000 years. The Messiah will allow Satan to be released after this for a very short time and then the entire Universe will be destroyed and The Final Judgment will come. Then a new heaven and a new earth will be formed along with a New Jerusalem.

The Jews of Jesus' day were seeking a king to depose the Romans. What they got was a Sacrificial/Savior. This is what they rejected! The Davidic reign is yet to come!
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The Old Testament prophecies speak nothing of a second coming. The Jews do not believe Jesus the messiah, because he did not fulfill all the prophecies.
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SteelHead wrote:The Old Testament prophecies speak nothing of a second coming. The Jews do not believe Jesus the messiah, because he did not fulfill all the prophecies.


There are Messianic Jews who disagree with you. The first Christians were Jews. The Old Testament prophets saw Mountain tops. They did not always see the valleys...

http://www.shema.com/messianic-judaism/what-is-it/
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You keep waiting nipper. He ain't ever coming back.
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SteelHead wrote:You keep waiting nipper. He ain't ever coming back.

2 Peter 3 The Living Bible (TLB)

3 1-2 This is my second letter to you, dear brothers, and in both of them I have tried to remind you—if you will let me—about facts you already know: facts you learned from the holy prophets and from us apostles who brought you the words of our Lord and Savior.

3 First, I want to remind you that in the last days there will come scoffers who will do every wrong they can think of and laugh at the truth. 4 This will be their line of argument: “So Jesus promised to come back, did he? Then where is he? He’ll never come! Why, as far back as anyone can remember, everything has remained exactly as it was since the first day of creation.”

5-6 They will rebuke the fact: that God did destroy the world with a Mighty Flood long after he had made the heavens by the word of his command and had used the waters to form the earth and surround it. 7 And God has commanded that the earth and the heavens be stored away for a great bonfire at the judgment day, when all ungodly men will perish.

8 But don’t forget this, dear friends, that a day or a thousand years from now is like tomorrow to the Lord. 9 He isn’t really being slow about his promised return, even though it sometimes seems that way. But he is waiting, for the good reason that he is not willing that any should perish, and he is giving more time for sinners to repent.
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Re: Scientific Prophecy vs. Religious or Biblical Prophecy

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LittleNipper wrote:Isaiah 53 This Chapter reads like it is the New Testament!

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 Who hath given credence to that which we heard? And the arm of Jehovah, On whom hath it been revealed?

2 Yea, he cometh up as a tender plant before Him, And as a root out of a dry land, He hath no form, nor honour, when we observe him, Nor appearance, when we desire him.

3 He is despised, and left of men, A man of pains, and acquainted with sickness, And as one hiding the face from us, He is despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, And our pains -- he hath carried them, And we -- we have esteemed him plagued, Smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 And he is pierced for our transgressions, Bruised for our iniquities, The chastisement of our peace [is] on him, And by his bruise there is healing to us.

6 All of us like sheep have wandered, Each to his own way we have turned, And Jehovah hath caused to meet on him, The punishment of us all.

7 It hath been exacted, and he hath answered, And he openeth not his mouth, As a lamb to the slaughter he is brought, And as a sheep before its shearers is dumb, And he openeth not his mouth.

8 By restraint and by judgment he hath been taken, And of his generation who doth meditate, That he hath been cut off from the land of the living? By the transgression of My people he is plagued,

9 And it appointeth with the wicked his grave, And with the rich [are] his high places, Because he hath done no violence, Nor [is] deceit in his mouth.

10 And Jehovah hath delighted to bruise him, He hath made him sick, If his soul doth make an offering for guilt, He seeth seed -- he prolongeth days, And the pleasure of Jehovah in his hand doth prosper.

11 Of the labour of his soul he seeth -- he is satisfied, Through his knowledge give righteousness Doth the righteous one, My servant, to many, And their iniquities he doth bear.

12 Therefore I give a portion to him among the many, And with the mighty he apportioneth spoil, Because that he exposed to death his soul, And with transgressors he was numbered, And he the sin of many hath borne, And for transgressors he intercedeth.


Bible Prophecy: Isaiah 53:3 says, "He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not."
• Fulfillment: John 1:10-11 says, "He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him."


• Bible Prophecy: Psalm 41:9 says, "Even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me."
• Fulfillment: Mark 14:10 says, "Then Judas Iscariot, one of the Twelve, went to the chief priests to betray Jesus to them."


• Bible Prophecy: Zechariah 11:12 says, "I told them, 'If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it.' So they paid me thirty pieces of silver."
• Fulfillment: Matthew 26:14-16 says, "Then one of the Twelve - the one called Judas Iscariot - went to the chief priests and asked, 'What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?' So they counted out for him thirty silver coins."


• Bible Prophecy: Isaiah 53:7 says, "He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth."
• Fulfillment: Mark 15:5 says, "But Jesus still made no reply, and Pilate was amazed."


• Bible Prophecy: Psalm 22:1-2 says, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning? O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, and am not silent."
• Fulfillment: Matthew 27:46 says, "About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, 'Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?' - which means, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'"


• Bible Prophecy: Psalm 22:7-8 says, "All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads: 'He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.'"
• Fulfillment: Matthew 27:41-44 says, "In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. 'He saved others,' they said, 'but he can't save himself! He's the King of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, I am the Son of God.' In the same way the robbers who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him."


• Bible Prophecy: Psalm 22:15 says, "My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me in the dust of death."
• Fulfillment: Matthew 27:48 says, "Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink."


• Bible Prophecy: Psalm 22:17-18 says, "I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing."
• Fulfillment: John 19:23 says, "When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining. This garment was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom."


The Bible proves the Bible and the circle is complete. :lol: :eek:
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