Oaks Meets with Hate Group Leaders, Tells Them to Fight On

[_ldsfaqs]

The Jewish Anti-Defamation League classify's anti-mormons as a "hate group".
So, what do you all care?

Question is, who's right, Conservatives or Liberals as to who's "actually" engaging in hate and a "hate group"?
You think your side judges correctly, and we think our side judges correctly.

God knows which side each of us is actually on, and so do I. WCF is on God's side, your lying and misrepresentations of what they say and do is only of evil.

[_moksha]

When I was trying to find out what the World Congress of Families was about, I noted that not all conference sites were happy to have them. They were indeed seen as a "hate group" in other places around the globe. SLC is one venue where they will receive a hearty welcome.

[_Lemmie]

The Jewish Anti-Defamation League classify's anti-mormons as a "hate group".
So, what do you all care?

Question is, who's right, Conservatives or Liberals as to who's "actually" engaging in hate and a "hate group"?
You think your side judges correctly, and we think our side judges correctly.

God knows which side each of us is actually on, and so do I. WCF is on God's side, your lying and misrepresentations of what they say and do is only of evil.

As usual, LDS, please provide a LEGITIMATE reference that the Jewish anti-defamation league specifically cites the entire group 'anti-Mormons' as a hate group. How do they define the 'group'? Who is leading this 'group'? what has this 'group' done to warrant the designation?

[_Elphaba]

. . . Elizabeth Smart[/url] scheduled to address the conference. . . .

I'm very curious to see what Smart says at this conference, particularly since she has devoted herself to fighting human trafficking, which includes educating people about the dangers of abstinence-only sex ed. Given the right-wing extremism of the WCF, I can't see any criticism of abstinence-only education going over well. In fact, I would never have imagined she'd accept an invitation to speak to such a well-known hate group in the first place.

So, I'll be watching to see what her chosen topic will be. I've come to admire her greatly, particularly for her courage to say things many people in her ultra-conservative world don't want to hear. I hope I admire her more after the conference.

[_tapirrider]

The Jewish Anti-Defamation League classify's anti-mormons as a "hate group".
So, what do you all care?

Question is, who's right, Conservatives or Liberals as to who's "actually" engaging in hate and a "hate group"?
You think your side judges correctly, and we think our side judges correctly.

God knows which side each of us is actually on, and so do I. WCF is on God's side, your lying and misrepresentations of what they say and do is only of evil.

The ADL supports same sex marriage.
http://www.adl.org/civil-rights/discrim ... unity.html

[_Kishkumen]

When I was trying to find out what the World Congress of Families was about, I noted that not all conference sites were happy to have them. They were indeed seen as a "hate group" in other places around the globe. SLC is one venue where they will receive a hearty welcome.

Basically, the WCF is the equivalent of Young Earth Creationism for human relations. Using vague statements and platitudes, they uphold a selectively Biblical view of the family that hovers somewhere around the bourgeois dreams of the 1950s. I quote from their own documents defending against the charge that they are "hateful."

We believe the natural family is the foundation of a free and prosperous society and the cradle of civilization.

In that one sentence, one finds so many assertions, assumptions, and masked Biblical references, that it is difficult to proceed with a straight face.

What is "natural"? What is their basis for concluding that their vision of the family is "natural"?

What is "free"?

How does one define "prosperous"?

I suppose by "cradle of civilization," they mean "Adam and Eve in the Garden."

You see, these terms are assumed to be mutually agreed upon and intelligible. There is no question in these folks' minds what "natural," "free," and "prosperous" mean.

Basically, it is a mere reflection of their own ideology.

The group tries to dodge the charge that they are a hate group by saying:

Our partners (who generally subscribe to the natural family philosophy) speak only for themselves.

In other words:

Don't think that the fact we partner with fringe lunatics who support oppressive legislation targeting gay and transgender people means you can hold us accountable for that choice.

Here is their definition of "natural" marriage:

Marriage is the lifelong union of one man and one woman, raising their children in a loving and nurturing environment.

In other words, this is the utopian dream of the highly privileged. The people who don't have to rely on multiple part time jobs to put food on the table. The people who don't lose a spouse to death, illness, crime, etc. The people who have the time, energy, and education (all luxuries to be paid handsomely for in the minds of conservatives) to attain this ideal.

Yet this is what they imagine is "natural." What it is, is a privilege enjoyed by a shrinking number of people in the US, thanks to the bankrupt economic policies of libertine financiers, bankers, and billionaires.

It is, quite simply, a bad joke.

I am OK if a small cadre of religious, white, wealthy conservatives want to enjoy their Leave It To Beaver dreams of happiness. But they should keep that crap to themselves, and leave the rest of us well enough alone.

The rest of us are happy to embrace all of our loved ones, family, friends, and associates as people who forge happy families of different kinds in that wonderful, wacky place called REALITY.

But these WCF supporters insist that our dreams need to conform to their dreams. They will tell us all what it means to be happy and then force us to live that way. The implication here is that when your family does not conform to their vision of a "natural" family, then it does not contribute to a free and prosperous world.

Single parent families, in the WCF's view, contribute to tyranny and deprivation. So do gay families. At least, so says the World Congress of Families, or, more accurately, the World Gathering of Ideologically Aggressive Privilege.

Every child deserves a mother and a father.

And, we should add for the sake of keeping things honest:

and beyond penalizing other kinds of relationships or denying people their civil rights, the WCF will do absolutely nothing to ensure that every child gets a mother and father, because it really can't do much about that anyway. Moreover, you really wouldn't want them to try.

Does encouraging other unions or living arrangements really show compassion for children?

Does demeaning other unions and living arrangements really show compassion for children?

Or are you using children as a rhetorical ploy to marginalize people who are different from you?

WCF opposes so-called same-sex marriage-.... We also oppose hate crime laws (which are used to persecute believers), and laws which ban reparative therapy for those who wish to overcome same-sex attraction.

In short, they don't believe in gay people, they don't think gay marriage should validate a relationship that does not conform to their Biblical view, and they want the freedom of putting little Johnny or Janey through sexual torture and terrorism in order to continue to deny reality. Because they hold their ideology to be so much more important than the well-being of their children.

We do not believe that homosexuality is innate or genetic.... We are opposed to bathrooms and showers open to both sexes, and recognizing those who identify with a gender not their own as a special protected class for civil rights purposes.

There you have it folks: There is no gay; there is no transgender. And the LDS Church supports this organization. So, the next time you want to know whether there has REALLY been any progress on gender issues in the LDS Church, please refer to this document:

http://worldcongress.org/files/2414/0753/5435/Is_WCF_Hateful__-_Questions_and_Answers_on_World_Congress_of_Families.pdf

You will find that, whatever they say in General Conference or in a press release, they back an organization that does not believe in gay people or transgender people.

But, here's the thing: if there is a fundamental freedom out there, it should be the freedom to identify as one chooses.

One could always say, "Mormonism is not a real religion." Since, that person does not believe Mormonism to be a legitimate religion, then the LDS Church should not have tax exempt status, own property, or possess the legal authority to perform marriages. Anyone who claims to be Mormon is just sinning, since the only "natural" religion is creedal Christianity. Mormonism is therefore an abomination, and one should do what is necessary to dissuade people from becoming or remaining Mormon.

People who claim Mormon identity should be free to go through cult deprogramming in order to be saved from this unnatural group that demands 10 percent of their income, countless hours of their time, and keeps them from true salvation in the real Christ.

But, to call the people who understand that Mormonism is not a real religion a hate group is just hateful. Those who want to infringe on one's right to take action against the unnatural cult of Mormonism, why, they are the haters.

It is the supreme of ironies, but sadly all to common, that the LDS Church, which was persecuted, denied its right to practice polygamy, and driven to the brink of annihilation as an organization, should turn around and participate in this ugly charade called the World Congress of Families.

Every last legacy Mormon person who supports this hateful balderdash and seeks to thrust it on the world spits on the graves of their ancestors.

[_Maksutov]

When I was trying to find out what the World Congress of Families was about, I noted that not all conference sites were happy to have them. They were indeed seen as a "hate group" in other places around the globe. Salt Lake City is one venue where they will receive a hearty welcome.

Basically, the WCF is the equivalent of Young Earth Creationism for human relations. Using vague statements and platitudes, they uphold a selectively Biblical view of the family that hovers somewhere around the bourgeois dreams of the 1950s. I quote from their own documents defending against the charge that they are "hateful."

We believe the natural family is the foundation of a free and prosperous society and the cradle of civilization.

In that one sentence, one finds so many assertions, assumptions, and masked Biblical references, that it is difficult to proceed with a straight face.

What is "natural"? What is their basis for concluding that their vision of the family is "natural"?

What is "free"?

How does one define "prosperous"?

I suppose by "cradle of civilization," they mean "Adam and Eve in the Garden."

You see, these terms are assumed to be mutually agreed upon and intelligible. There is no question in these folks' minds what "natural," "free," and "prosperous" mean.

Basically, it is a mere reflection of their own ideology.

The group tries to dodge the charge that they are a hate group by saying:

Our partners (who generally subscribe to the natural family philosophy) speak only for themselves.

In other words:

Don't think that the fact we partner with fringe lunatics who support oppressive legislation targeting gay and transgender people means you can hold us accountable for that choice.

Here is their definition of "natural" marriage:

Marriage is the lifelong union of one man and one woman, raising their children in a loving and nurturing environment.

In other words, this is the utopian dream of the highly privileged. The people who don't have to rely on multiple part time jobs to put food on the table. The people who don't lose a spouse to death, illness, crime, etc. The people who have the time, energy, and education (all luxuries to be paid handsomely for in the minds of conservatives) to attain this ideal.

Yet this is what they imagine is "natural." What it is, is a privilege enjoyed by a shrinking number of people in the US, thanks to the bankrupt economic policies of libertine financiers, bankers, and billionaires.

It is, quite simply, a bad joke.

I am OK if a small cadre of religious, white, wealthy conservatives want to enjoy their Leave It To Beaver dreams of happiness. But they should keep that s*** to themselves, and leave the rest of us well enough alone.

The rest of us are happy to embrace all of our loved ones, family, friends, and associates as people who forge happy families of different kinds in that wonderful, wacky place called REALITY.

But these WCF supporters insist that our dreams need to conform to their dreams. They will tell us all what it means to be happy and then force us to live that way. The implication here is that when your family does not conform to their vision of a "natural" family, then it does not contribute to a free and prosperous world.

Single parent families, in the WCF's view, contribute to tyranny and deprivation. So do gay families. At least, so says the World Congress of Families, or, more accurately, the World Gathering of Ideologically Aggressive Privilege.

Every child deserves a mother and a father.

And, we should add for the sake of keeping things honest:

and beyond penalizing other kinds of relationships or denying people their civil rights, the WCF will do absolutely nothing to ensure that every child gets a mother and father, because it really can't do much about that anyway. Moreover, you really wouldn't want them to try.

Does encouraging other unions or living arrangements really show compassion for children?

Does demeaning other unions and living arrangements really show compassion for children?

Or are you using children as a rhetorical ploy to marginalize people who are different from you?

WCF opposes so-called same-sex marriage-.... We also oppose hate crime laws (which are used to persecute believers), and laws which ban reparative therapy for those who wish to overcome same-sex attraction.

In short, they don't believe in gay people, they don't think gay marriage should validate a relationship that does not conform to their Biblical view, and they want the freedom of putting little Johnny or Janey through sexual torture and terrorism in order to continue to deny reality. Because they hold their ideology to be so much more important than the well-being of their children.

We do not believe that homosexuality is innate or genetic.... We are opposed to bathrooms and showers open to both sexes, and recognizing those who identify with a gender not their own as a special protected class for civil rights purposes.

There you have it folks: There is no gay; there is no transgender. And the LDS Church supports this organization. So, the next time you want to know whether there has REALLY been any progress on gender issues in the LDS Church, please refer to this document:

http://worldcongress.org/files/2414/0753/5435/Is_WCF_Hateful__-_Questions_and_Answers_on_World_Congress_of_Families.pdf

You will find that, whatever they say in General Conference or in a press release, they back an organization that does not believe in gay people or transgender people.

But, here's the thing: if there is a fundamental freedom out there, it should be the freedom to identify as one chooses.

One could always say, "Mormonism is not a real religion." Since, that person does not believe Mormonism to be a legitimate religion, then the LDS Church should not have tax exempt status, own property, or possess the legal authority to perform marriages. Anyone who claims to be Mormon is just sinning, since the only "natural" religion is creedal Christianity. Mormonism is therefore an abomination, and one should do what is necessary to dissuade people from becoming or remaining Mormon.

People who claim Mormon identity should be free to go through cult deprogramming in order to be saved from this unnatural group that demands 10 percent of their income, countless hours of their time, and keeps them from true salvation in the real Christ.

But, to call the people who understand that Mormonism is not a real religion a hate group is just hateful. Those who want to infringe on one's right to take action against the unnatural cult of Mormonism, why, they are the haters.

It is the supreme of ironies, but sadly all to common, that the LDS Church, which was persecuted, denied its right to practice polygamy, and driven to the brink of annihilation as an organization, should turn around and participate in this ugly charade called the World Congress of Families.

Every last legacy Mormon person who supports this hateful balderdash and seeks to thrust it on the world spits on the graves of their ancestors.

Thank you, Kish. This desperately needed to be said. I think that you would find that the World Congress of Families opposes CEDAW and other measures to ensure reproductive rights and freedom from domestic violence for women. It's not just about SSA, it's about controlling and suppressing half of the human race.

[_EAllusion]

This is the previous thread on this subject:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=39080&p=912004

The well of crazy goes deep with WCF. There's a few examples in there.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

It appears the ADL has a genial, if not complicated, relationship with Mormons.

http://www.adl.org/12Home/search-result ... gsc.page=1

- Doc

[_Maksutov]

This is the previous thread on this subject:

http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... 0&p=912004

The well of crazy goes deep with WCF. There's a few examples in there.

BYU has been in on this action for about 20 years now. The late Richard Wilkins and the Kennedy center saw to that. Wilkins was up to his ears collaborating with Muslims and ultraconservative Catholics and Jews when he died. One of the Three Amigos expressed disappointment that there were faculty at BYU that found this unseemly. Looks like the Brethren like this direction and so they're doubling down. Maybe they're becoming more mainstream at the MI but everywhere else they're trying to compete with pukes like Dobson and Phelps. Ugh. And this after touting their great victory in negotiating local laws re: gay discrimination.