SteelHead wrote:I see God as a made up construct that represent the ideals and mores of those who "believe."
Which are ever-changing.
I challenge anyone to list an absolute. unchanging religious truth. Something that has always been and always will be objectively true.
Proving anything objectively when all we have are subjective minds just isn't feesible. Still, I'd theorize that the only constant is consciousness but the focus of consciousness vary.
Steelhead, I agree that God and everything else is subjectively considered. God particularly, is as Paul Tillech defined, "one's ultimate concern" - whatever one worships or prioritized whether they call it god or not.
I see God as love/ultimate ideal which we discover by trial and error.
Amore wrote:Steelhead, I agree that God and everything else is subjectively considered. God particularly, is as Paul Tillech defined, "one's ultimate concern" - whatever one worships or prioritized whether they call it god or not.
I see God as love/ultimate ideal which we discover by trial and error.
Amore, I am something of a fan of Tillich. In my reading Tillich always connected the idea of ultimate concern with the idea that God is also the ground of our being, God is both. It is important because people can make distorted ideas which are not the ground of our actual being into images to worship.idols. These idols can actually be destructive because they corrupt our actual being. God is love would not seem to me to be an idol like that but asking what is our actual ground of being has potential to clarify the idea , "God is love". I agree with you that trial and error exploration is a positiver reality here.
SteelHead wrote:Sorry, but there is no death without life.
You miss the point entirely. No one knows exactly how their life will transpire. No one really knows how many lives they have influenced for either good or evil. When a baby is born, no one knows how that life will turn out... Life is uncertain. Death comes to all ----- even Jesus died. So, even He can certainly sympathize (thought He did give up His Spirit of His own volition).
SteelHead wrote:God is not just subjectively considered, he is subjectively constructed.
GOD always was and always will be. The Creator was never constructed. GOD maybe misunderstood by mortals, but He most certainly is not a whim of human invention.
LittleNipper wrote:GOD maybe misunderstood by mortals
Even some of the mortals believe such entity exists.
LittleNipper wrote: but He most certainly is not a whim of human invention.
As a matter of course. The main proof of this fact that - as we know - the whole humanity worship the same and identical god around the world. At least all of them call he/she/it the only true one... We - here on this site - are happy that we have you, who knows accurately who is he/she/it, even that that entity is a male, and "he" by default.
by the way One of the biggest tragedy of the mortals of this small mudball of the big universe, that most definitions of christian/jewish/muslim/whatever gods (seem to be someway different...) come from languages which use gender in 3rd person singular. Just sayin'.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
Well, of course I eat shrimp. Jesus Christ didn't eat the shrimp and fulfilled the letter of the Law in my favor. The main reason Jews were not to eat shrimp was that the LAW and Jewish codes were established as a illustrated representation of GOD's perfection and proof of sinful man's inability to keep all the commandments to the letter.
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