The CCC wrote:A small group of people traveling in the wilderness of Saudi Arabia of 600 BCE would have the same problems a large army of today, relatively speaking. Opposition from hostile forces, lack of supply lines, equipment malfunction, need for at least temporary sanctuary.
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The wagon train would travel at around two miles an hour. This enabled the emigrants to average ten miles a day. With good weather the 2,000 mile journey from Missouri to California and Oregon would take about five months.
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The CCC wrote:A small group of people traveling in the wilderness of Saudi Arabia of 600 BCE would have the same problems a large army of today, relatively speaking. Opposition from hostile forces, lack of supply lines, equipment malfunction, need for at least temporary sanctuary.
With reference to my last post, do you agree that, based solely on the text of the 1 Nephi and a modern map that Bountiful could be located anywhere along the coasts of modern Oman, Yemen, and the UAE?
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Mine was that it only takes five months to walk 2,000 miles in primative conditions.
ETA:
Encyclopedia Brittanica wrote:The peninsula’s total area is about 1,200,000 square miles (3,100,000 square kilometres). The length, bordering the Red Sea, is approximately 1,200 miles (1,900 kilometres) and the maximum breadth, from Yemen to Oman, 1,300 miles.
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Using the the information given in 1 Nephi, (South Southeasterly followed by easterly), the longest straight line journey would be about 2000 miles. Averaged over eight years, that comes out to be about .7 miles per day.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Res Ipsa wrote:Using the the information given in 1 Nephi, (South Southeasterly followed by easterly), the longest straight line journey would be about 2000 miles. Averaged over eight years, that comes out to be about .7 miles per day.
A leasurely stroll. They must have done some sightseeing along the way. Some of those tourist traps are very enticing.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
Res Ipsa wrote:Using the the information given in 1 Nephi, (South Southeasterly followed by easterly), the longest straight line journey would be about 2000 miles. Averaged over eight years, that comes out to be about .7 miles per day.
I don't get the impression anyone is really arguing a small group could not get to anywhere on the peninsula in 8 years. Some may not want to admit it if they feel they are giving an inch to any argument against the Book of Mormon.
Res Ipsa wrote:Using the the information given in 1 Nephi, (South Southeasterly followed by easterly), the longest straight line journey would be about 2000 miles. Averaged over eight years, that comes out to be about .7 miles per day.
I don't get the impression anyone is really arguing a small group could not get to anywhere on the peninsula in 8 years. Some may not want to admit it if they feel they are giving an inch to any argument against the Book of Mormon.
I'm a plodder, remember?
I'm plodding because I think anyone offering correspondences between the text of the Book of Mormon and actual geographical features bears the burden of proof to show that the correspondences aren't due to knowledge of Smith or coincidence or some combination of both. Doing that requires some notion of how much luck Smith would have needed to "predict" that a place corresponding to Bountiful would exist.
CCC has described Bountiful as a bullseye. The question is, does it suffer from the Texas sharpshooter or similar fallacy? I think figuring that our requires a bona fide attempt to describe the circumstances of the prediction. Assuming CCC agrees with my last point, my next question would be: how many potential Bountifuls are there on the coasts of Oman, Yemen, and the UAE?
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“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
It took 1 year to go from Omaha Beach to Berlin. That was with tanks and airplanes. You still have too many assumptions for a credible argument.
I think there may have been a tad more resistance on that journey, don't you? But let's use that as a metric. What's 8 times the distance of Omaha Beach to Berlin and how does that fit the Book of Mormon narrative and proposed geography?
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