Is God changing?

[_Tobin]

I refused to accept a God who treated us as ants in an ant farm. Someone who would stand by and watch suffering. So I searched the scriptures until I found what I now believe is the true reality. We in essence all come here by choice and know in our greater self that there is no death. But we come here and take part in the mortal experience where we are fooled by this world. A place that we can make heaven or we can make it hell. The choice is ours to make.

What choices are there for a child that is suffering horribly and dies of starvation? Or for people that are drown in a tsunami or boiled alive by a volcanic eruption? It seems they have no choice at all. They are forced to suffer horribly and die.

[_jo1952]

What choices are there for a child that is suffering horribly and dies of starvation? Or for people that are drown in a tsunami or boiled alive by a volcanic eruption? It seems they have no choice at all. They are forced to suffer horribly and die.

Mankind has come up with an imagined "God"/"Satan" explanation for this mortal world. They create "religion" in order to develop some kind of communication with the deity/deities they form in their minds. They can then find some degree of comfort inside of the belief systems created by their imaginations. These ideas are then taught to children; becoming the traditions of our fathers. These ideas are considered to be truth. Even so, they really can't answer the types of questions you are asking and still maintain the idea of a loving and caring "God".

Science uses a different method to discover "truth"; as do philosophers, etc.

No human devised "truth", however, is able to find any "real truth". I describe "real truth" as something which does not need to keep moving the goal posts whenever a "truth" gets shaken or destroyed by a new discovery (which is the case with science....the "truth" of science keeps changing).

None of these belief systems...be they religion, science, philosophy...is able to supply "real truth". All of these systems require giant leaps be made in order to accept their beliefs. They all require belief in something invisible; none of them have been able to prove anything beyond the shadow of doubt.

Yet here we are....existing inside a mortal world. What, exactly, is going on? Our reasoning is circular....at some point, regardless of the belief system we hang our hats on, we come full circle with the realization that our belief systems are incomplete. "Truth" is our answer; while "real truth" can't be found.

Either we can conclude there must be a purpose for it; or we can conclude there is no purpose for it. Our explanations can't answer the questions you asked. Your questions beg more questions. We are forced to ask, for example, "why did I get so lucky as to be born where my needs are met....but why did others get so unlucky as to be born where their needs are not met?". Connected to that type of question is the reasoning...."wow, you only get one shot at mortality; too bad for that person". Yet, death comes to everyone here. No one gets lucky enough to skip death.

After all is said and done, we aren't left with much to go on. But we'll sure fight over our ideas; we'll sure be mean to one another; we even kill each other....shortening their brief chance at life inside of mortality. We use our belief systems to justify our actions. We have no "real truth" idea about what is going on here.

We can even choose to believe that at some point, we will find "real truth". Maybe some have; but, because they can't prove it, others will not allow themselves to agree with it. Right now while in mortality, even "real truth" (even though it answers questions without requiring to move the goal posts) cannot be proven ....sigh.....

[Guest]

What choices are there for a child that is suffering horribly and dies of starvation? Or for people that are drown in a tsunami or boiled alive by a volcanic eruption? It seems they have no choice at all. They are forced to suffer horribly and die.

The choice is ours before we come here. We know pretty much what we are being born into. Just because we look at human suffering the way we do does not mean that our greater self feels the same way. Our human ego and limited experience in a mortal state makes death and pain to be more than it is. When we die and wake up from this experience we will not concentrate on death, we will instead concentrate on the relationships we had.

[_jo1952]

What choices are there for a child that is suffering horribly and dies of starvation? Or for people that are drown in a tsunami or boiled alive by a volcanic eruption? It seems they have no choice at all. They are forced to suffer horribly and die.

The choice is ours before we come here. We know pretty much what we are being born into. Just because we look at human suffering the way we do does not mean that our greater self feels the same way. Our human ego and limited experience except in a mortal state makes death and pain to be more than it is. When we die and wake up from this experience we will not concentrate on death, we will instead concentrate on the relationships we had.

Additionally, having been able to experience opposition, pain, suffering, physical death, etc., we will be able to have a fulness of joy in our real reality; which is outside of mortality.

[_Tobin]

What choices are there for a child that is suffering horribly and dies of starvation? Or for people that are drown in a tsunami or boiled alive by a volcanic eruption? It seems they have no choice at all. They are forced to suffer horribly and die.

The choice is ours before we come here. We know pretty much what we are being born into. Just because we look at human suffering the way we do does not mean that our greater self feels the same way. Our human ego and limited experience except in a mortal state makes death and pain to be more than it is. When we die and wake up from this experience we will not concentrate on death, we will instead concentrate on the relationships we had.

What kind of choice was that exactly? That just makes it 100 times worse because I can't even imagine that choice knowing you'll suffer and die of starvation while other people are living in luxury with plenty to eat. What kind of demented being would do that? You are making God sound more and more like the devil.

[_Franktalk]

What kind of choice was that exactly? That just makes it 100 times worse because I can't even imagine that choice knowing you'll suffer and die of starvation while other people are living in luxury with plenty to eat. What kind of demented being would do that? You are making God sound more and more like the devil.

Have you ever played a computer game in which you killed opponents? Are you the Devil? You see it is us that is in the game.

[_Tobin]

Have you ever played a computer game in which you killed opponents? Are you the Devil? You see it is us that is in the game.

But the real world isn't a video game. If I shoot someone here, it has some very real consequences. The person I shoot will suffer trauma, pain, and may even die. They don't get to come back to life either and play again as the same person. I don't know of a single video game like that and I doubt if it existed that almost anyone would play. It would be a very disgusting game to play with other people.

[_jo1952]

But the real world isn't a video game. If I shoot someone here, it has some very real consequences. The person I shoot will suffer trauma, pain, and may even die. They don't get to come back to life either and play again as the same person. I don't know of a single video game like that and I doubt if it existed that almost anyone would play. It would be a very disgusting game to play with other people.

Tobin,

What are your thoughts on why we are here....what is the purpose?

[_Tobin]

What are your thoughts on why we are here....what is the purpose?

There is no purpose actually other than my existence is the result of the natural breeding process and the genetic impetus to perpetuate of our species that my parents had. That is true of every human being that exists. Whether or not there are god-like beings that have colonized our world and placed their nascent offspring in us is unknown to me because I don't remember being a nascent god-like being. However, even if that is true, I'm sure that if such beings exist they have colonized billions of worlds and we are much like trout roe in comparison. The odds are probably that only one out of millions of us will advance far enough to become a god-like being ourselves someday. I guess I'll know if that is true if when I die I continue to exist. Otherwise, I'll disappear and it won't matter.

[_Franktalk]

Have you ever played a computer game in which you killed opponents? Are you the Devil? You see it is us that is in the game.

But the real world isn't a video game. If I shoot someone here, it has some very real consequences. The person I shoot will suffer trauma, pain, and may even die. They don't get to come back to life either and play again as the same person. I don't know of a single video game like that and I doubt if it existed that almost anyone would play. It would be a very disgusting game to play with other people.

I don't define myself as this body. I am the spirit inside of this body. I guess we just look at things differently.