Current GA Being Accused of Child Abuse; the 12 Ignore It

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Re: Current GA Being Accused of Child Abuse; the 12 Ignore I

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If he did indeed say it I just can't get past the 'These little toddlers/girls were molesting me.'

I mean, if that were the case, then dude... You let little kids touch you sexually. Why didn't you get them off your lap the moment you were touched? Why didn't you address the issue immediately with something like, "Hey so-and-so, your kids were going for my junk. What the heck?"

Nope. Did you say anything, or did this only come out when you were accused of molestation? I mean, c'mon.

Anyway. The fact of the matter is I have no idea where the truth lies. I have no idea if what was said was indeed said. Unless there's a taped confession, and I'm somehow missing it then I'm just going to be skeptical and believe that this was a nasty custody battle and the kids are being used as pawns.

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eta: I'm also having a hard time getting past this:

Despite a recent admission by the mother (Jean Mickelsen Berger--Rexburg, ID, on tape, transcribed by a certified court reporter)...
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction......because fiction has to make sense
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deacon blues wrote:Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction......because fiction has to make sense

A work of fiction is usually just the concoction of a single mind, in which there is cognitive consonance.

Reality has so many authors it is internally incongruent.
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Ron Karren graduated from Brigham Young University in International Relations and Political Science, working his way through school at a Fortune 500 firm.

As an entrepreneur in the multimedia industry, he was exposed to the world of finance through a landmark project with three of the world’s leading CEOs. Subsequently, other financial companies sought out Karren’s services, input, and involvement to promote their financial concepts, as well as to merge his ideas with theirs. Mr. Karren, instead, came to the conclusion that his formulations would be more efficiently marketed and administrated by progressive, open-minded CPAs and other licensed financial professionals.

In 2003, Karren was approached with the basic Australian mortgage concept, which he found to be logically, mathematically, and financially sound.

http://americanfinancialplanner.com/about/


Political Science graduates finally getting the entrepreneurial respect they are so long overdue. It seems only fitting that American CEOs would seek Ron Karren out.
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“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
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The following is the latest update from Mr. Karren's Facebook blog concerning this subject matter. He promises to update it within the next 24-48 hours if any new information is forthcoming.

Meanwhile, there have been numerous attempts from various sources to undermine him and his integrity. Is that a backlash of the PR department of SLC headquarters itself to defame and slander him considering who he has gone up against?

It's the court of public opinion at this point in time who gets to decide that. He comes across as a straight shooter, not kooky at all in my opinion. Why some are quick to call him insane is questionable. If he didn't win custody of his children, why would he say so?

And his degree someone else here questioned in Political Science transferring into a business related field? Well, I was a Political Science major with a concentration in International Relations similar to Mr. Karren. My degree was not from BYU, and I didn't transfer it to private sector enterprise, I ended up working my career as a civil service career servant.

But there were plenty of Poly Sci majors who did go into business related ventures following their graduations from college. It is not unheard of to do that. Political Science is a springboard for many different enterpreneurial fields including the financial services. It's a broad based liberal arts education that lays a foundation in the arts and sciences and is considered a well rounded education even if not highly specialized in business or financial services per se. The specialization follows.

From Karren's Facebook blog as of yesterday:

"Thanks for the interest, views, shares, comments; and yes, even the skepticism. I never expected anyone to take my word for this at point blank, nor did I ask for or start this fight. Many are calling for evidences, and THAT is all we (my kids and I) wanted from Day One: for a judge, a church leader, a neutral psychiatrist, or an unbias detective to look at the evidences. The evidence will show that these venues not only dismissed our evidences without even looking at them, but shut them down. We are arranging the release of these evidences, documents, and correlating explanations in the ensuing days, followed by a radio interview (at which point I hope to step out of the spot light and let my kids take over, lending their efforts to a new support-group-with-teeth). I will update this post within the next 24 to 48 hours regarding that data download.
Again, thank you sincerely for the dialogue (pro and con), it has brought some tremendous people to the table (even in the past 24 hours) who are putting into place practical solutions, legal protections for victims and whistle-blowers, etc. Most importantly, it has brought victims forward who are ready to tell their stories. For the past 48 hours, I relived the last 5 minutes of the movie Spotlight: the phones ringing with victims who now have the courage to come forward. With the leadership dialogue started today, they will have more support to do so...Thank you Matt, Mark, DeAnn, Cate, Lauren and your various organizations/efforts.
On this you have my word: I will never settle for hush money (but then again it's too late for that, isn't it). My kids and I have been firm on that from the beginning. Please copy/paste/share this message. Ronald Meldon Karren."

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Well, it would appear we are more popular than the Karren's are - Jean or Ronald.

When typing in their names to a Google search, here is what came up [immediately] under the top line billing of an image search, and it isn't the Karren's. No, folks, it's us right here on Mormon Discussions! Good thing we like to go 'incognito!'

https://www.google.com/search?q=Jean+Mi ... 44HhCwBAg0
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That is a pretty rough looking bunch of the usual suspects. Image Image Image Image
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Don't know about you, but I am really digging that picture of Blixa in the helmet right next to LDSfaqs.
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I have a question wrote:http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1770837
I encourage people to read IHAQ's link. It's Richard Packham's take on this, and provides some very concerning evidence that demonstrates Karren is not being as truthful as he would have us believe.

ETA: I just realized I misunderstood something. This is not Packham's take on this. As he says: "This just came in from someone I respect in the exmo community. I am just passing it on:. . . ." I still think it's worth a read.
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Elphaba wrote:
I have a question wrote:http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1770837
I encourage people to read IHAQ's link. It's Richard Packham's take on this, and provides some very concerning evidence that demonstrates Karren is not being as truthful as he would have us believe.

ETA: I just realized I misunderstood something. This is not Packham's take on this. As he says: "This just came in from someone I respect in the exmo community. I am just passing it on:. . . ." I think it's still worth a read.


This was copied pasted directly from Ronald Karren's Facebook page in a rebuttal to Richard Packham's thread on exMormon.org regarding the allegations of Maria Santana against Mr. Karren. Mr. Karren knows neither Packham nor Santana, and invites both of them to contact him privately so he can address their public libel in person.

"Update: We have been working with various sites to release an explanation of the video, along with the evidences and documentary supports in what is quickly becoming a trial in the court of public opinion: The releases should begin by day’s end tomorrow.

I have made it a point to not publicly thank or address people’s comments, because I welcome both sides. Pro and Con are both NECESSARY to flush out the truth.

There are two particular personal attacks that Samuel has brought to my attention within the previous post. I have no intention of removing that post or those attacks. I want those " words against me to stand as the manure gets washed away and the truth rises to the surface.

I would invite Maria Santana and a Richard Packham to privately exchange their personal and professional contact information with me; as I would like you to stand by your words and position as this process unfolds. You have my word, I will not engage in any “I told you so” when the truth reaches the surface.

Let’s let the people judge between me and you two on both private and professional levels, as the evidences are released.
Can the 50,000+ people following this story get the invitation extended to these two individuals...
Thank You ALL."

From feedback to him by a Samuel on his Facebook profile since RPackham's post here on RfM, Samuel states: "I was just sent the following link, regarding what the highly respected (in the EXMO community) Richard Packham has to say about your claims, who apparently was given information about your case, by an EX-Mormon attorney (Maria Santana) he respects. Just wondering what your response is to him? You're being called a liar, insane and it's stated that this whole thing is a "hoax?"

I just thought it was important and only fair that you have a chance to respond, before these claims become fact, whether true or not. We don't know who his source is or anything about them.

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1770837";

~ Samuel Utahn

https://www.Facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001608752300

Child molestation charges are serious, and he doesn't seem like the kind of person who would make this up for some kind of publicity stunt, or are the product of an insane father, or jilted ex-husband of the daughter of a former General Authority. I trust the church much less on matters of import and the reputation of those going up against it than people like Mr. Karren who may well have a legitimate gripe that the church will try and tarnish his name and reputation like it has done a million times before with other LDS who have attempted to stand up to it.
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