Skousen's Introduction to Book of Mormon

[_Lemmie]

Why should ...blah, blah, blah. Really not much to respond to.

Mak, I hope you're having a wonderful day also.

Out for a run.

Regards,
mentalgymnast

Yes, you always run, don't you? Keep running. You can't stand and face the music.

This is why I think he may just be a troll. Here's some of his previous 'last good-byes,' posted on the GSB thread, also to get out of responding to questions on comments he made.

So as to not appear overly egocentric I will bow out and let this thread go where it may...or rest in peace.

But I'm done. Hurrah. Chap, you can give yourself a fist bump or high five. It's over.

after all is said and done on this thread I'm perfectly willing to let the chips fall where they may.

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[_Maksutov]

Hi Lemmie, thanks for dropping in again and making a substantive contribution to this thread. You along with Mak are sounding like broken records. But I suppose from your point of view, I am too.

Have a nice day.

Regards,
mentalgymnast

Your latest strategy, nice try. But I do appreciate that you quote me because my point gets made once again while you simply add to your total of dishonest denials.

The broken record thing cracks me up. Well stated. Responses to a broken record do indeed sound like a broken record! But like Maks said:

most of them are people trying to cut through your lies and evasions and get at something like a real discussion.

The mentalgymnast saga is very instructive. The "Lying for the Lord" syndrome is very strong with this one. I don't think the majority of LDS people are like this, but mentalgymnast's adoption of Hales' "bias" blanket response shows me that there are enough of them to be noticeable and they are wired into the Mopologist network that promotes such things. The weasely evasions are so obvious. I've felt tempted to do a thread cataloging mentalgymnast's tricks. Some would denounce it as bullying and others would say that it was unnecessary because it's so obvious. mentalgymnast might enjoy it because it would be attention to him, but of course he would claim bias and persecution. I think that this sort of reluctance by people to point out liars is one reason Paul Dunn got away with his scurrilous behavior for so long.

[_Lemmie]

The mentalgymnast saga is very instructive. The "Lying for the Lord" syndrome is very strong with this one. I don't think the majority of LDS people are like this, but mentalgymnast's adoption of Hales' "bias" blanket response shows me that there are enough of them to be noticeable and they are wired into the Mopologist network that promotes such things. The weasely evasions are so obvious. I've felt tempted to do a thread cataloging mentalgymnast's tricks. Some would denounce it as bullying and others would say that it was unnecessary because it's so obvious. mentalgymnast might enjoy it because it would be attention to him, but of course he would claim bias and persecution. I think that this sort of reluctance by people to point out liars is one reason Paul Dunn got away with his scurrilous behavior for so long.

It was very interesting to read your comment, I have had such similar thoughts.

For example, there is the temptation to conclude all LDS argue this way. I have been reminding myself over and over, however, that it is not logical to assume mentalgymnast represents the typical Mormon response, because like you I don't think the majority of LDS are like this. Mentalgymnast surely does not do his cohort any favors, however.

Re: a thread cataloging Mg's tricks, I have thought exactly the same thing!!! and yes, a reluctance to call out liars let Paul Dunn carry on his reprehensible behavior far longer than he should have. I look forward to reading Lynn Packer's book that is currently being discussed.
( viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41889 )
I hope Lynn Packer tells some of his journey in the book also, because there seemed to be a great deal of backlash to his efforts to tell the story.

[_grindael]

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[_Fionn]

I don't really see how other issues and controversies fall by the wayside. How, for example, does Joseph Smith's polygamy become less problematic if the Book of Mormon were true?

It doesn't.

Personally, I try to keep believing that you aren't trolling. I think you are sincere.

I can confirm that. The second, not the first.

But it is so frustrating to tell someone that same thing over and over again, only to have them ignore it and claim you didn't answer them. The book suggestions are a clear example. Grindael linked you to apologetic works on Urantia, but you continued to insist no one answered your questions.

Do you know whether any of those books are actually critical commentary and exegesis on Urantia? Do any of those books actually dig deep enough into the literary structure and cohesiveness of narrative to support the thesis/possibility that The Urantia Book has a supernatural origin? (In other words's, by comparison, as I've read Hardy and Givens it's given me pause to simply brush off the Book of Mormon as a product of Joseph Smith.) If so, you could save me some time by pointing THAT book out. Reason being, there were scads of books pictured. Which one is the one (or two) you are referring to that meets the qualifications that I'm asking for? Earlier I was asking for something along the line of what Givens and Hardy have written about the Book of Mormon. There were a whole bunch of books that grindael pulled up on some web page. Which one should I read?

So, I give up. *shrug*

I haven't...and I have just as valid reasons as anyone.

Regards,
mentalgymnast

I recommend this one: (wrong link deleted)

Oops! Wrong link. My bad.

Fixed: [ur][A History of the Urantia Papers https://www.amazon.com/dp/1439272751/re ... jxb4XDDDD8[/url]

[_Lemmie]

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grindael, what's up? did I miss something?

[_grindael]

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grindael, what's up? did I miss something?

I posted something on this page and meant to put it on another. I had two windows open. Nothing to see here, move along, move along...

[_Lemmie]

Personally, I try to keep believing that you aren't trolling. I think you are sincere.

I can confirm that. The second, not the first.

So you can't confirm you are NOT trolling?? What does that mean?

[_Lemmie]

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grindael, what's up? did I miss something?

I posted something on this page and meant to put it on another. I had two windows open. Nothing to see here, move along, move along...

No worries.... Whatever you are posting, it will be worth reading wherever you put it!

[_Maksutov]

Oops! Wrong link. My bad.

Fixed: [ur][A History of the Urantia Papers https://www.amazon.com/dp/1439272751/re ... jxb4XDDDD8[/url]

Let's also remember that MG refused to consider the Qu'ran and the scriptures of the Bahai faith. That covers a few hundred million people of no consequence.