Mike Pence Speaks After Being Announced Trump VP

[_ldsfaqs]

I don't deny evolution and climate change.....

I simply deny the liberal version of them both. The lying.

[_EAllusion]

1. Pence was correct in his "facts" if you actually read what he said in CONTEXT.
Millions live, don't get lung cancer etc. from smoking, as well as don't "die" from smoking itself.
He also further said in context that he entirely agreed that smoking "wasn't good for you".

Well, he clarified his own context by later stating he meant that there is no medical evidence to say smoking causes lung cancer. Newsflash: smoking causes lung cancer.

He was in the pocket of tobacco firms and either cynically lied or bought into tobacco propaganda that was, by that time, obviously incorrect to any halfway decently educated person. It's amusing that you take a questionable stance on a comment Biden made, on a relatively obscure topic, and use it to pronounce him a utter moron while simultaneously giving a pass to a person who has said something far more ignorant on a far more imporant topic.

[Guest]

This video for example takes an experienced female shooter with primarily handguns, and yet she was trying to aim with the shotgun, etc., and yet ONLY one pellet hit the target, in contrast to the AR-15 in which every shot hit, and it didn't hurt to shoot it, so she didn't like the shotgun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9OOdl9JEI

The shotgun is basically the WORST self defense weapon one could use and have.
Sure, in a very specific instance and circumstance very close up, it CAN be effective for doing damage, but overall with distances, skill levels required, ease of use and rounds, it's frankly the WORST to have, because self defense situations are more fluid. The "shot gun is the best home defense weapon" MYTH is from old thinking some 40 years ago that was popular promoted. It however with true experts is a joke.

If you were in a self-defense situation a shotgun is much better than a rifle. Self-defense is typically done in close proximity, closed spaces, and you don't have much time to react. A shot gun doesn't require much aim, will eliminate the threat, and doesn't have much kick. A rifle is much like a handgun in close quarters combat and it's easy to miss your target, and if it's a 5.56 round may not stop the attacker.

Anyway. Based off your online and in real life history I don't believe you've fired a shotgun or have any sort of training with shotguns so you're pretty much a fat “F” running his fat damned jowls who has watched YouTube and now thinks he is an expert on something he can't comprehend.

- Doc

[_SteelHead]

I was referring to Pence.... not faqs.

[_EAllusion]

I was referring to Pence.... not faqs.

On a related note, if Trump were to win the presidency, that probably would make him the only known head of state in the world who is a climate change denier.

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/storie ... TE=DEFAULT

[_Brackite]

The Trump/Pence ticket is basically an anti-Science ticket.

In a 2009 interview, Pence was asked by Chris Matthews on MSNBC if he believed in evolution. He said that he embraced “the view that God created the Heavens and the Earth, the Seas and all that’s in them. The means that he used to do that, I can’t say, but I do believe in that fundamental truth.”

Pushed by Matthews on whether he had taken a biology class in high school, Pence attacked Matthews saying “This anti-science thing is a little bit weak.”


In 2001, Pence openly mocked climate science calling it a “myth.” In global warming, Pence wrote, “the environmental movement has found a new chant for their latest ‘chicken little’ attempt to raise taxes and grow centralized governmental power.” Pence falsely claimed that “the earth is actually cooler today than it was about 50 years ago” and “most climatologists agree that, at best, global warming is a theory about future climactic conditions and cannot be proven based upon the historic record.” He also said that greenhouse gases “are mostly the result of volcanoes, hurricanes and underwater geologic displacements.”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/ ... -pence-vp/

It was a winter of record snowfall two years ago when Donald Trump’s reported running mate made a daring comment about climate change.

“We haven’t seen a lot of warming lately,” Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) said during a February interview with Chuck Todd on MSNBC.

It turns out that same year, 2014, would go down as the warmest since records began in 1880. The status was short-lived. The following year would supplant it as having the highest average temperature in the instrumental record, according to NASA.

Pence, a tea party favorite, is seen by many Republicans as someone who would be a calming choice for vice president in Trump’s unconventional candidacy. He would add legislative and executive experience to a party ticket headlined by a television celebrity who has never before run for political office.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... e-change1/



http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-mi ... ing-480930

[_Jersey Girl]

This video for example takes an experienced female shooter with primarily handguns, and yet she was trying to aim with the shotgun, etc., and yet ONLY one pellet hit the target, in contrast to the AR-15 in which every shot hit, and it didn't hurt to shoot it, so she didn't like the shotgun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9OOdl9JEI

The shotgun is basically the WORST self defense weapon one could use and have.
Sure, in a very specific instance and circumstance very close up, it CAN be effective for doing damage, but overall with distances, skill levels required, ease of use and rounds, it's frankly the WORST to have, because self defense situations are more fluid. The "shot gun is the best home defense weapon" MYTH is from old thinking some 40 years ago that was popular promoted. It however with true experts is a joke.

If you were in a self-defense situation a shotgun is much better than a rifle. Self-defense is typically done in close proximity, closed spaces, and you don't have much time to react. A shot gun doesn't require much aim, will eliminate the threat, and doesn't have much kick. A rifle is much like a handgun in close quarters combat and it's easy to miss your target, and if it's a 5.56 round may not stop the attacker.

Anyway. Based off your online and in real life history I don't believe you've fired a shotgun or have any sort of training with shotguns so you're pretty much a fat f*** running his fat f*****g jowls who has watched YouTube and now thinks he is an expert on something he can't comprehend.

- Doc

Wait. Wait. Wait.

Biden's alleged claim was that a 12 gauge shotgun is easier for a woman to shoot than an AR-15.

Do you really think that is true? If so, I'd disagree.

The kick on the 12 gauge is enough to knock some women on their ass. Not so with the AR-15.

[_Jersey Girl]

I've actually shot shotguns, you morons clearly haven't, because if you had, you would know they have a kick to them, thus are much harder to control, especially for women, in contrast to an AR-15 which has basically ZERO kick.

- Not only that, but Biden "specifically" said "12-Gauge" which HAS the massive kick to it, he didn't say 20-Gauge which has "less" kick, and is more manageable.

I'm going to agree with all of the above.

[_The CCC]

1. Pence was correct in his "facts" if you actually read what he said in CONTEXT.
Millions live, don't get lung cancer etc. from smoking, as well as don't "die" from smoking itself.
He also further said in context that he entirely agreed that smoking "wasn't good for you".

2. Wow.... you guys are truly stupidly brainwashed.
I've actually shot shotguns, you morons clearly haven't, because if you had, you would know they have a kick to them, thus are much harder to control, especially for women, in contrast to an AR-15 which has basically ZERO kick.

- Not only that, but Biden "specifically" said "12-Gauge" which HAS the massive kick to it, he didn't say 20-Gauge which has "less" kick, and is more manageable.

- But it's even worse, he said to have a "double barrel" shotgun, something that only gives you two rounds.
Thus, in the liberal warped mind, you all actually think TWO SHOTS is enough in ANY potential self defense situation, especially a shotgun situation where the person has to be close enough to shoot, thus if you MISS your two shots, which the less experienced might often do, you're dead.

- But it get's even better..... He says the woman should "fire two blasts into the air"..... First, not only waisting your bullets you might need for self defense, but second you're just firing willy nilly in the air, something totally illegal and irresponsible. Sure, the "context" of that statement was "living in a wooded area", but still, utterly stupid either way.

- But there's even more.... He said an AR-15 is "harder to aim" and it's "harder to use".
Both of which are utterly LYING statements.

- And there's even MORE.... He say's you "don't need 30 rounds". Except he forgets when people do, for which there are videos online you can see instances of it. But more so, the further purpose of having weapons isn't simply "personal" self defense situations, but in situations in which the people might have to rise against the government, or other similar situations.

Conclusion:
So in 6 separate points with his statement Biden is an utter stupid moron....., not just one.

Video is worth a thousand words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jafkVM-jnbE
Note toward the end of the video how shooting the AR-15 is easy as pie?
There's other videos like it, which make clear the ACTUAL truth comparing the AR-15 with Shotguns, if you brainwashed were actually interested in actual truth.

Now, let's contrast that with Pence's "off-hand" comment, for which he further clarified with facts, and with more context, that he WAS NOT saying "cigarettes are not bad for you", cause he specifically said they ARE. He was giving a BIGGER more factual point, i.e. what actually kills smokers. In other words, as a smoker you have FAR more risk dying from other things not related to smoking than you do smoking itself.

All of this is true..... In contrast, Biden stated SIX LIES and misrepresentations in relation to one statement.

faqless:

Yes I have shot a shotgun. They are no harder to fire than any other firearm, and require less skill to actually hit something. In terms of "kick". My 44 mag kicks a lot harder and is directed right into the hands.

Diseases directly related to smoking tobacco.
SEE https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statis ... g_smoking/

In other words You really are an idiot.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Wait. Wait. Wait.

Biden's alleged claim was that a 12 gauge shotgun is easier for a woman to shoot than an AR-15.

Do you really think that is true? If so, I'd disagree.

The kick on the 12 gauge is enough to knock some women on their ass. Not so with the AR-15.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAR_PX77ib8

Go to 30 seconds to see the kickback. It's not that bad. And then go to 42 seconds to see the target. Go to 1:04 to see the woman's assessment of the kickback. I'm telling you a shotgun is preferable to an AR-15 for self-defense. LDSFAQs doesn't know what he's talking about.

Again, you have to put yourself into the mindset that if you have an AR-15 in a self-defense situation the combat will take place in two or three seconds at most. The typical person isn't going to have time to line the aggressor up in her sights, take aim, and then pull the trigger in a controlled manner to ensure the round goes where she wants it to go. You're going to be freaking the “F” out, pumped full of adrenaline, and scared shitless. Not good for fire control.

The aggressor will most likely close the distance within a second or two, so you're lucky to raise your weapon and fire before he is on you. This is why a shotgun is so useful because you can literally raise it up, eyeball it, and squeeze the trigger. The effective range of a shotgun is much higher than a handgun or an AR-15/M4. The stopping power of a shotgun is also much higher than an AR-15/M4.

- Doc

eta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUXNky5Zccc

5 shotgun rounds versus 30 AR-15 rounds. The video is worth watching. Start at 2:22.