The TRINITY in Old Testament

[_Mittens]

No where in the Bible or the Book of Mormon does it teach God the Father is the Father of Jehovah or the pre-incarnate Jesus.

1 Peter 1:3---King James Version (KJV)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

John 20:17---King James Version (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Both your verses have nothing to do with Jesus pre-incarnate but agree with Mosiah

Mosiah 15
3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—

[_dberrie2000]

No where in the Bible or the Book of Mormon does it teach God the Father is the Father of Jehovah or the pre-incarnate Jesus.

1 Peter 1:3---King James Version (KJV)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

John 20:17---King James Version (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Both your verses have nothing to do with Jesus pre-incarnate

Yes it does--as it pertains to the spirits of men and of Christ. It is not a reference to the flesh--as Christ did not share the same Father as mankind--he was unique in that respect, as The Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh.

IOW--Christ was the only One ever born to this earth, in the flesh-- with a Heavenly Father and an earthly mother.

All spirits, including Christ's spirit--share the same Father--as Christ testified to in the above scripture(John20:17)--

Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

[_Mittens]

We have God as our Father through adoption never literal

• Ephesians 1:5
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

• Galatians 4:5
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

• Romans 8:15
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

• Romans 8:23
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

• Romans 9:4
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name" (Jn. 1:12).
"For you [the Christians in Galatia to whom Paul is writing] are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:26).

Romans 9

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

[_dberrie2000]

Both your verses have nothing to do with Jesus pre-incarnate

Yes it does--as it pertains to the spirits of men and of Christ. It is not a reference to the flesh--as Christ did not share the same Father as mankind--he was unique in that respect, as The Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh.

IOW--Christ was the only One ever born to this earth, in the flesh-- with a Heavenly Father and an earthly mother.

All spirits, including Christ's spirit--share the same Father--as Christ testified to in the above scripture(John20:17)--

Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

We have God as our Father through adoption never literal:

• Ephesians 1:5
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

• Galatians 4:5
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

• Romans 8:15
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

• Romans 8:23
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

The problem with that approach is the spirit is in the body years prior to the adoption. That argument does not address the origins of the spirit.

This does:

Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

[_Mittens]

Isn't the Father of our Spirit, "Jesus"

Zechariah 12


1The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

[_dberrie2000]

Isn't the Father of our Spirit, "Jesus"

Zechariah 12
1The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

No. As Jesus testified to--He shared the same Father as mankind--as to the spirit:

John 20:17---King James Version (KJV)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

That's the reason we address Him as "Father".

[_Mittens]

Isn't the Father of our Spirit, "Jesus"

Zechariah 12
1The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

No. As Jesus testified to--He shared the same Father as mankind--as to the spirit:

John 20:17---King James Version (KJV)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

That's the reason we address Him as "Father".

Verse 17 doesn't seem to isolate the spirit

Since man is three parts body, soul and spirit


1 Thessalonians 5

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it

[_dberrie2000]

Isn't the Father of our Spirit, "Jesus"

Zechariah 12
1The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

No. As Jesus testified to--He shared the same Father as mankind--as to the spirit:

John 20:17---King James Version (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

That's the reason we address Him as "Father".

Verse 17 doesn't seem to isolate the spirit

Since man is three parts body, soul and spirit

1 Thessalonians 5
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it

But this verse specifically isolates God the Father as the Father of spirits:

Hebrews 12:9---King James Version (KJV)
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Where do we find any verse that specifically describes the Father of souls?

John 20:17---King James Version (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

[_Mittens]

http://eom.BYU.edu/index.php/Lectures_on_Faith
Lectures on Faith

Lecture Five 2. There are two personages who constitute the great, matchless, governing, and supreme power over all things, by whom all things were created and made…. They are the Father and the Son: the Father being a personage of spirit, glory, and power, possessing all perfection and fulness. The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, is a personage of tabernacle, made or fashioned like unto man, being in the form and likeness of man, or rather man was formed after his likeness and in his image. He is also the express image and likeness of the personage of the Father, possessing all the fulness of the Father, or the same fulness with the Father; being begotten of him, and ordained from before the foundation of the world to be a propitiation for the sins of all those who should believe on his name. He is called the Son because of the flesh

[_dberrie2000]

http://eom.BYU.edu/index.php/Lectures_on_Faith
Lectures on Faith

Lecture Five 2. There are two personages who constitute the great, matchless, governing, and supreme power over all things, by whom all things were created and made…. They are the Father and the Son: the Father being a personage of spirit, glory, and power, possessing all perfection and fulness. The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, is a personage of tabernacle, made or fashioned like unto man, being in the form and likeness of man, or rather man was formed after his likeness and in his image. He is also the express image and likeness of the personage of the Father, possessing all the fulness of the Father, or the same fulness with the Father; being begotten of him, and ordained from before the foundation of the world to be a propitiation for the sins of all those who should believe on his name. He is called the Son because of the flesh

That's an 1835 edition. As has already been conceded--there has been an evolution of theology since that time, within the LDS church.

Just as there was in the New Testament:

1 Corinthians 8:6---King James Version (KJV)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

I noticed you have not addressed that as of yet.