Archeological evidence for Helaman Chp 4:7

[_bomgeography]

Here is archeological evidence for Helaman Chp 4:7

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... t-sea.html

[_Quasimodo]

So, the historical account says this.

Historical account:

“Remains of fortifications also exist in Michigan as the following account taken from the Buffalo Pilot reveals: “...in the town adjoining Cooper, county of Megan, Michigan, about a mile distant from the fertile banks of the Kalamazoo, is a small hamlet, commonly known as Arnold’s Station. The first settlers of this little place, emigrants from the St. Joseph country, found In the township some extensive ruins of what had evidently been the work of human ingenuity, and which they christened the Military Post. “It consists,” says the writer, “of a wall of earth, running north west and southeast, being about the height of a man’s head In the principal part of Its length, but varying in some places, as if It had been degraded, either by the hands of assailants or the lapse of time... .“

The story evidently is an old one (no date is given for this account) so we have at the most a third hand account of a verbal story without any verification. If no one goes to this area and does some sort of site analysis, it's meaningless. Time to buy a metal detector (steel swords, etc.) and do some leg work to back up your hypothesizes. Old folk tales do not have any historical value unless backed up with facts.

[_bomgeography]

So, the historical account says this.

Historical account:

“Remains of fortifications also exist in Michigan as the following account taken from the Buffalo Pilot reveals: “...in the town adjoining Cooper, county of Megan, Michigan, about a mile distant from the fertile banks of the Kalamazoo, is a small hamlet, commonly known as Arnold’s Station. The first settlers of this little place, emigrants from the St. Joseph country, found In the township some extensive ruins of what had evidently been the work of human ingenuity, and which they christened the Military Post. “It consists,” says the writer, “of a wall of earth, running north west and southeast, being about the height of a man’s head In the principal part of Its length, but varying in some places, as if It had been degraded, either by the hands of assailants or the lapse of time... .“

The story evidently is an old one (no date is given for this account) so we have at the most a third hand account of a verbal story without any verification. If no one goes to this area and does some sort of site analysis, it's meaningless. Time to buy a metal detector (steel swords, etc.) and do some leg work to back up your hypothesizes. Old folk tales do not have any historical value unless backed up with facts.

If you do you will at least find iron ax heads tools and weapons.

iron axes
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.com/

iron swords
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... words.html

[_Quasimodo]

If you do you will at least find iron ax heads tools and weapons.

iron axes
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.com/

iron swords
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... words.html

I won't be doing that. I see it as a wild goose chase or if you prefer this cliché, a snipe hunt. It might be a good exercise for you to attempt, though, since you are the one hoping it's true.

Meteoric iron is a very long way from steel and very rare to find. The process of making raw iron into steel is very complex and there is no evidence that Native Americans ever mined iron ore and smelted it to remove impurities. No evidence of Native American steel.

I already posted about the Duck River Mounds in another thread yesterday.

There was a thread on this board several months back that used a third person story from the 1800's claiming that metal swords were found in the Duck River Mounds in TN. as evidence of Mormon histories. It happens that a scientific, archeological excavation was done in the 1950's. They did find swords (sort of). They were made of worked stone. Here's a photo of one:

[_bomgeography]

Actually there is evidence that Hopewell did indeed do smelting beyond making iron tools and axes.

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... lting.html

[_Quasimodo]

Actually there is evidence that Hopewell did indeed do smelting beyond making iron tools and axes.

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... lting.html

Your article starts with this:

Archeologist have not confirmed smelting by Hopewell Indians they have only speculated.

That might have been the best place to end it, as well. If you have something other than anecdotal stories, please post them.

[_bomgeography]

They have speculated because there is evidence of smelting just not enough to validate it YET

[_Quasimodo]

They have speculated because there is evidence of smelting just not enough to validate it YET

That's why I won't quibble about your first sentence. If someone finds good evidence of smelting iron in pre-columbian North America, pass it along. None so far.

ETA: Remember, we are talking about smelting iron, not copper or gold which melt at much lower temperatures.

[_bomgeography]

They have speculated because there is evidence of smelting just not enough to validate it YET

That's why I won't quibble about your first sentence. If someone finds good evidence of smelting iron in pre-columbian North America, pass it along. None so far.

ETA: Remember, we are talking about smelting iron, not copper or gold which melt at much lower temperatures.

fair enough

[_Lemmie]

fair enough

I call bogus on the fair enough. You know for a fact they are not speculating on smelting iron. From a link in your OP blog:

Linderman says scientists are starting tests on what looks like evidence of lead smelting

I might also quibble with the rest of your blog post. It seems your archeologist is Haywood, who did his speculating in 1823.