SteelHead wrote:Not at all, you haven't established a connection. Similar geometric patterns does not a cultural connection make.
Yes, the swastika is a common symbol in Native American art, Hindu art, Buddhist art and many other cultures (it's such a simple and easy design to make). This doesn't mean that Buddhists and Hindus were Nazis, nor does it mean that Adolf Hitler was a Hopi.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
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SteelHead wrote:Not at all, you haven't established a connection. Similar geometric patterns does not a cultural connection make.
Yes, the swastika is a common symbol in Native American art, Hindu art, Buddhist art and many other cultures (it's such a simple and easy design to make). This doesn't mean that Buddhists and Hindus were Nazis, nor does it mean that Adolf Hitler was a Hopi.
It's common on that side world but in the Americas it was not used in central and South American cultures. Only in North America.
SteelHead wrote:Not at all, you haven't established a connection. Similar geometric patterns does not a cultural connection make.
Yes, the swastika is a common symbol in Native American art, Hindu art, Buddhist art and many other cultures (it's such a simple and easy design to make). This doesn't mean that Buddhists and Hindus were Nazis, nor does it mean that Adolf Hitler was a Hopi.
bomgeo, repeating himself wrote:It's common on that side world but in the Americas it was not used in central and South American cultures. Only in North America.
No it's not. This is a bogus argument that you've already repeated. You can't make any of your references work so now you're going in circles.
From this thread, page 4:
tapirrider wrote:
bomgeography wrote: You cannot say that those designs only appeared in the 1800s.
Yes, I can say that with confidence and with the backing of scholars when it concerns the Nez Perce. I challenge you to provide credible, scholarly sources that show otherwise, with that particular tribe. And show me reputable examples of how they did it prior to the glass beads. I would be very much impressed if you could provide a pre-1850 floral design like the type you claim is Assyrian, made with porcupine quill by the Nez Perce. Until you can show me such things, I will maintain that you are grasping at straws and making claims that you can't support.
bomgeography wrote:It's common on that side world but in the Americas it was not used but central and South American cultures. Only in North America.
It was a common motif in Mayan cultures!
You are truly lacking knowledge in a subject in which you are touting yourself as a serious researcher.
It was used on Native American pottery designs, rock art and later weaving designs. It was used in Africa, India, North America, Central America, Nordic countries, ancient Roman motifs and even in Japan in the 700's and before.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
bomgeography wrote:It's common on that side world but in the Americas it was not used but central and South American cultures. Only in North America.
It was a common motif in Mayan cultures!
You are truly lacking knowledge in a subject in which you are touting yourself as a serious researcher.
It was used on Native American pottery designs, rock art and later weaving designs. It was used in Africa, India, North America, Central America, Nordic countries, ancient Roman motifs and even in Japan in the 700's and before.
The swastika found in the maya culture is not a surprise. Unless you can prove that the use of the symbol predates the Hopewell its not an issue. The Hopewell have jaguar teeth and Mayan type artifacts at their mann site in Indiana. I believe the Quetzalcoatl white bearded god comes from the Hopewell. Quetzalcoatl dates between 100BC and 100AD if after 1AD that would give the Hopewell time to have an influence on maya culture. Is it true you were not able to find the swastika used in South America.
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I don't see how anybody can say that the symbols were not used throughout the history and centuries of the Nez pierce Indians. The onus is on you to provide a source to show that the cultural symbols of the Nez pierce were invented.
You have shown 1 example of a non identical geometric pattern and claim it shows a cultural connection. It is your responsibility to show the history of how and when the interchange occured. You are the claimant.
You are playing the game of claiming there is a teapot orbiting Jupiter, then asking us to disprove the claim. The burden is upon you to prove your claim, not us to disprove it. So far you have not shown anything that is not common across almost every culture. Parallel geometric patterns
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bomgeography wrote:I don't see how anybody can say that the symbols were not used throughout the history and centuries of the Nez pierce Indians. The onus is on you to provide a source to show that the cultural symbols of the Nez pierce were invented.
Nope, onus is on you. Just FYI, saying "I don't see how anybody can say that _____ were not used throughout the history and centuries of _______________," is NOT a valid research technique. Your use of it reflects poorly on you, David McKane, and on your religion. Unless you are trolling with the intent of making your religion look bad, in which case you are succeeding admirably.
bomgeography wrote:I don't see how anybody can say that the symbols were not used throughout the history and centuries of the Nez pierce Indians. The onus is on you to provide a source to show that the cultural symbols of the Nez pierce were invented.
Nope, onus is on you. Just FYI, saying "I don't see how anybody can say that _____ were not used throughout the history and centuries of _______________," is NOT a valid research technique. Your use of it reflects poorly on you, David McKane, and on your religion. Unless you are trolling with the intent of making your religion look bad, in which case you are succeeding admirably.
If the onus is on me then it's already been proven
